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Silence as Medicine: How Moments of Stillness Transform Your Brain, Body & Emotional Health with Erling Kagge #551

Apr 29, 2025 2h 40 insights
This week, I'm joined by the remarkable Erling Kagge, Norwegian adventurer, philosopher and acclaimed writer. Erling is the first person to complete the "Three Poles Challenge" - reaching the North Pole, the South Pole, and the summit of Mount Everest on foot. After this record-breaking feat, Erling attended Cambridge University to study philosophy.  He’s also the author of multiple best-selling books, including, Silence: In the Age of Noise and Walking: One Step at a Time. When Erling was 29, he did something most of us can't imagine - he walked alone to the South Pole for 50 days in complete silence, with no radio contact whatsoever. What started as a physical journey across ice became something far more profound - a journey into himself.  In our conversation, we explore  Why Erling believes silence is where "the world's secrets are hidden" and how finding quiet moments can help us get to know ourselves better - and appreciate others more Erling’s surprising relationship with fear and how being "one with the environment" creates an unexpected sense of peace even in extreme danger - like facing a charging polar bear! The three simple origins of true gratefulness that Erling found during his expeditions: feeling warm after being cold, feeling full after being hungry and resting after exhaustion – experiences most of us rarely have in our comfortable modern lives How our experience of boredom has completely changed – from being bored because nothing is happening to feeling bored because too many things are happening at once Why Erling believes we should actually "make our lives more difficult" on purpose and how this approach helps us find meaning and satisfaction Practical ideas for bringing moments of silence into our busy lives – whether it's walking without your phone, taking the stairs instead of the lift, or just standing still for a few minutes As Erling reminds us, most of us don't realise what we're truly capable of. His encouragement to break free from limiting beliefs, to move our bodies more, and to add variety to our routines offers a practical path toward a more meaningful life.  In his words, finding fulfilment is about "finding your own North Pole" – a journey that asks us to be brave enough to face ourselves in silence. I hope you enjoy listening.  Support the podcast and enjoy Ad-Free episodes. Try FREE for 7 days on Apple Podcasts https://apple.co/feelbetterlivemore.  For other podcast platforms go to https://fblm.supercast.com.   Thanks to our
Actionable Insights

1. Find Your Own “North Pole”

Embark on a personal journey of self-discovery to uncover your true capabilities and find fulfillment, which requires bravery to face yourself in silence.

2. Actively Seek Life’s Difficulties

Actively make your life more difficult than it needs to be, as this is the only way to find true meaning and avoid the mistake of always choosing the easiest option.

3. Practice Daily Solitude

Make a daily practice of solitude the single most important routine in your modern life, as even 10 minutes is better than none for self-discovery and well-being.

4. Reduce Distractions for Inner Silence

Be aware that noise and distractions (from phones, sounds, light) are often about running away from yourself; reduce these to discover your inner silence and live a richer, happier life.

5. Persist Through Initial Discomfort

When seeking silence or solitude, expect initial restlessness and discomfort for the first few days, but persist through these feelings as you will calm down, adapt, and begin to listen to yourself.

6. Regularly Test Your Capabilities

Regularly engage in activities that test you and are uncomfortable to build physical and mental resilience, ensuring you can cope when life inevitably gets tough.

7. Walk as Meditation

Use walking, without your phone, as a form of meditation for any duration, as it helps you connect with yourself, the present moment, and can change your perception of time and environment.

8. Embrace Boredom’s Health Benefits

Recognize that it is healthy to be bored every now and then, as this state, where nothing is happening, can lead to deeper self-understanding compared to modern ’existential boredom’ from too much stimulation.

9. Establish Simple, Fixed Routines

Simplify your life by establishing fixed daily routines for activities like waking, eating, breaks, and sleeping; this can lead to a meditative state and help you live in the present.

10. Live in the Present Moment

By simplifying life and reducing noise, you can gradually become more present, forgetting the past and ceasing to overthink the future, which are often sources of mental noise.

11. Silence Enhances Life Appreciation

Experiencing silence helps you see the earth from a different perspective, respect others more, appreciate your own company, and ultimately love life even more.

12. Self-Contentment for Better Relationships

To truly appreciate and respect other people, first become content with yourself and capable of enjoying your own company, as unhappiness often stems from living through others.

13. Take Solitude Retreats

Consider taking solitude retreats, even if you have dependents, as it can lead to personal growth, making you a nicer, more caring, and wiser person upon return, ultimately benefiting your family.

14. Encourage Partner’s Personal Exploration

Support and encourage your partner to take time for personal exploration and solitude, viewing it as an opportunity for them to return as an even greater person, enriching the relationship.

15. Foster Generosity in Relationships

Encourage generosity and understanding in your relationships to allow partners space for personal growth and soul-nurturing, expecting them to return as a more positive person.

16. Address Father-Son Relationship Challenges

Recognize that father-son relationships are often complicated and can drive significant life choices; actively work towards understanding and reconciliation to foster deeper bonds.

17. Practice Forgiveness in Family

Actively practice forgiveness in complicated family relationships, as it can lead to reconciliation and stronger bonds later in life.

18. Understand Partner’s Family Dynamics

For partners, make an effort to understand the complexities of their significant other’s father-son relationship, as this insight can lead to a better and more empathetic relationship.

19. Connect with Nature Daily

Make an effort to get into nature daily, even if it’s just a local park, as this connection is vital for well-being and finding meaning.

20. Introduce Variety, Reduce Screen Time

Introduce variations into your daily life and significantly reduce screen time, as monotonous routines and excessive screen engagement are detrimental to self-discovery and finding meaning.

21. Reduce Social Media Usage

Significantly reduce the time spent on social media, as excessive use consumes years of your life and contributes to the feeling of being ‘short on time’.

22. Enforce Phone-Free Bedtime

As a parent, enforce a rule for children to leave their phones outside the bedroom at least one hour before bed to prevent sleep disruption and promote mental well-being.

23. Create an Analog Home

Strive to create an ‘analog house’ with as little digital technology as possible, especially for children, to foster an environment conducive to natural human experience.

24. Suppress Fear for Rationality

In dangerous situations, actively suppress fear to remain rational and focused on the necessary actions, as fear can lead to irrational behavior.

25. Process Fear After Event

In high-stress situations, suppress fear to perform necessary actions, but allow yourself to process those suppressed emotions and physical reactions once the immediate danger has passed.

26. Practice Delayed Gratification

For simple pleasures like food, practice delayed gratification by waiting a few seconds before indulging, as this can enhance the experience and make it taste even better.

27. Adhere to Self-Imposed Rules

Uphold self-imposed rules or principles, even when it means personal sacrifice, to maintain the integrity of your goals and achievements.

28. Let Go of Grudges

Release grudges and negativity towards others from earlier in life, as it allows for healthier relationships and personal growth, as demonstrated by former competitors becoming friends.

29. Value Ancient Wisdom

Seriously consider and apply wisdom that has endured for over a thousand years, as it often contains profound truths relevant to living a good life.

30. Prioritize Experience Over Summary

When engaging with content like books, prioritize the full experience and journey of acquiring information over quick summaries, as the process itself is deeply valuable.

31. Choose Difficult Learning

Opt for more difficult and time-consuming methods of learning, such as reading a book thoroughly over several evenings, as this deeper engagement is the only meaningful way to truly benefit.

32. Practice Self-Hypnosis

Learn and practice self-hypnosis for about 20 minutes in the late afternoon to refresh yourself, gain energy, and potentially manipulate your subconsciousness to be on your side.

33. Gradually Reintegrate After Solitude

After a prolonged period of solitude, gradually reintroduce yourself to civilization and social interaction, as a sudden return can be abrasive and cause discomfort.

34. Avoid Daily External Communication

When seeking deep solitude or self-discovery, avoid daily communication with the outside world, as constant connection can dilute the experience and prevent you from fully facing yourself and finding meaning.

35. Disconnect from Clock Time

Reduce reliance on watches and constantly checking your phone for time, recognizing that clock time is a human construct and disconnecting from it can alter your experience of time.

36. Overcome Self-Underestimation

Challenge the common tendency to underestimate your capabilities and possibilities in life, recognizing that you are capable of more than you think.

37. Break Free from Negativity

Be a little brutal to yourself to break free from the negativity that shapes you from childhood into adult life, as most people underestimate their capabilities.

38. Access Inner Silence Anywhere

Understand that the most important silence is within you and can be accessed anywhere, even in the busiest environments, by consciously choosing to explore it.

39. Eliminate Temptation Completely

To truly commit to a goal or practice, remove any possibility of temptation, as even the awareness of an option (like a phone nearby) can drain willpower and distract you.

40. Allow Time for Deeper Connection

Recognize that deeper, more authentic connection and conversation often require an initial period of adjustment and loosening up, so allow sufficient time for these interactions to unfold naturally.