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Rick Rubin On Creativity, Authenticity & Living A Meaningful Life #327

Jan 18, 2023 2h 36m 45 insights
This week’s guest is regarded as one of the all-time music greats. Named on Time magazine’s list of the ‘100 most influential people in the world’, he is none other than the legendary record producer, Mr Rick Rubin.   Whether you know the name Rick Rubin or not - it is almost certain that the music he has been involved with making has made its way into your life at various points. Having worked with a huge variety of different artists in very different genres - Tom Petty, Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Adele, Johnny Cash, Jay Z, Neil Young - to name just a few, he is one of the most celebrated record producers of all time. But I think one of the reasons that Rick has reached an almost mythical status across the world is because of his Zen-like manner and his artistic approach to life.   In his new book The Creative Act, Rick says that we’re all artists – and he defines art as whatever our ‘curated output’ in life is. And you don’t have to be a musician, or even a music fan to appreciate this book (or this episode), because it’s really about the art of living.   We talk about how his artistic life philosophy applies to health. He shares his own path to wellness - how changing his diet, living in harmony with his circadian rhythms and seeing a nutritionist - helped him lose over a third of his body weight and gave him his vitality back.  We also touch on the similarities between creating beautiful records and creating optimal health. Rick also shares how suffering from depression has actually left him more grounded and empathetic, and why he is such a big fan of saunas and cold-water therapy.   Just like in Rick’s book, there are all sorts of thought tangents to follow in our conversation, and I think, what you will hear and take away, will hugely depend on what you need to hear in your life right now.   We talk about the value of deadlines, the beauty of imperfection and whether it’s OK to be motivated by success. We also touch on authenticity, values, and his firm view that ‘the audience should come last’ in any creative endeavour.    This really was a special conversation, full of timeless wisdom, from a remarkable man. If you’d have told the teenage Rangan that he’d one day be sitting down for an in-depth conversation with Rick Rubin about why medicine is more art than science, I don’t think he would have believed you - and yet, this is what you are about to hear - so strap yourself in, get yourself ready and enjoy! Support the podcast and enjoy Ad-Free episodes. Try FREE for 7 days on Apple Podcasts https://apple.co/feelbetterlivemore. For other podcast platforms go to https://fblm.supercast.com. Thanks to our
Actionable Insights

1. Take Control, Prioritize Self-Care for Universal Benefit

Recognize that you are in control of your own life and have the power to make different choices. Courageously change aspects of your life (career, relationships, location) that do not bring you joy, understanding that prioritizing your own well-being is ultimately beneficial for everyone around you, much like putting on your own oxygen mask first.

2. Live Authentically, Align with Values

Live an authentic life that is deeply aligned with your personal values. Inauthenticity creates a void and a ‘fracture’ in your core self, which people often try to fill with unhealthy coping mechanisms like sugar, alcohol, or other distractions.

3. Focus on ‘Being’ for Creativity

Prioritize your ‘being’ – who you are and how you live – as the fundamental foundation for all creative output. The ‘making’ of art or creative work will then naturally emerge as a ‘reverberation’ of your authentic state of being, rather than being the primary focus.

4. Create Authentically, Ignore Outcome

When engaging in any creative act, prioritize making the best possible thing from your heart, without primarily focusing on external outcomes, audience reception, or commercial success. Trying to create for an outcome or for others can ‘water down’ the art and ‘fracture the core of who you are’.

5. Live an Artful, Engaged Life

Define ‘art’ as your curated output in life and strive to live in an ‘artful way’ by being fully engaged, paying attention, and making each choice count. Avoid ‘sleepwalking’ through your days by repeating yesterday’s patterns without conscious thought.

6. Embrace Humility in Knowledge

Approach all knowledge with humility and an open mind, recognizing that much of what we ‘know’ are reflections and thoughts, not absolute, unchangeable facts. Be open to being surprised and learning new perspectives, even in established fields like medicine.

7. Question Accepted ‘Truths’

Be skeptical of rigid ’truths’ and established norms, as much of what is accepted as fact can be wrong, obsolete, or limiting. Challenge assumptions and be willing to go beyond conventional boundaries to discover new possibilities.

8. Prioritize Learning Over Being Right

Cultivate a mindset where learning and understanding are prioritized over being ‘right.’ Embrace opportunities to learn when proven wrong, fostering curiosity rather than competition or ego.

9. Dispel Hero Worship

Let go of the flawed idea of ‘hero worship’ by recognizing that even high-profile or successful individuals are complex humans with insecurities and struggles, just like everyone else. This helps in personal growth and avoids unhealthy comparisons.

10. Practice Deep Listening

Engage in deep listening during conversations, as people often reveal their true needs, wants, and identity even when they claim not to know themselves. Listen for what ’lights up’ for you, as they may be telling you exactly what’s going on without realizing it.

11. Externalize Feedback, Depersonalize Critique

When giving critical feedback, externalize the critique by focusing on the ’thing’ (e.g., ’these lyrics’ or ’this model’) rather than making it a personal affront to the ‘person.’ This approach makes feedback more specific, external, and productive for collaboration.

12. Reframe ‘Can’t’ to ‘Haven’t Yet’

Replace the phrase ‘I can’t do that’ with ‘I haven’t done it yet.’ This simple linguistic shift helps maintain an open mindset about your capabilities and potential, encouraging practice and discovery.

13. Share What’s In Your Heart

Recognize that insecurity is only a hindrance if it prevents you from authentically expressing and sharing what truly matters to you and what is ‘in your heart.’ Overcome this barrier to allow your true self to emerge.

14. Creativity is Limitless

Understand that creativity is an eternal and limitless resource, not something that can be ‘used up.’ While you may experience energy depletion, engaging in diverse creative practices actually enhances all of them, rather than diminishing any single one.

15. Develop Authentic Voice Through Practice

To find your authentic voice in a new creative domain (e.g., songwriting or writing), commit to consistent practice and production, treating it as a ‘hobby.’ Trust that your unique voice will naturally evolve and emerge through dedicated work over time.

16. Experiment to Break Creative Patterns

Actively experiment with different tools, methods, and starting points to break old creative patterns and discover new approaches. Try new instruments, different chord progressions, or writing to pre-made beats to ‘shake things up’ and surprise yourself.

17. Challenge Established Methods

Beware of assuming that your current way of working is the best simply because it’s familiar. Be open to trying completely different approaches, using new ‘palettes,’ or collaborating with different people to avoid limiting beliefs and foster new creative possibilities.

18. Generate Abundant Creative Material

In creative projects, generate an abundance of material (e.g., writing many more songs than needed for an album). This increases the likelihood of selecting the highest quality output, as the ‘best’ pieces may not be the first ones created.

19. Benchmark Against Core Idea

When developing a creative project, regularly refer back to the initial inspiring ‘fragment’ or core idea. Compare current progress to this original essence to ensure the work maintains or surpasses its initial quality and purpose.

20. Avoid Overworking Creative Projects

Recognize that working on something longer does not automatically make it better; sometimes, you can ‘go past it’ and diminish the quality. Know when to stop and embrace completion to avoid overworking and messing up the art.

21. Embrace Art as a Snapshot

Embrace the reality that any creative work is a ‘snapshot in time,’ accepting it as the best you could make it at that moment. This perspective helps in letting go of unattainable perfection and allows for completion.

22. Set Deadlines for Finishing

While early creative phases benefit from open-ended exploration, set deadlines for the final ‘finishing’ and editing stages of a project. This structured approach can be a ‘good thing’ to aid completion and prevent endless tinkering.

23. Separate Art Creation and Marketing

Distinctly separate the creative process of making art from the commercial process of marketing and selling it. Complete the art first, ensuring its integrity, and only then engage in the ‘whole new, really creative adventure’ of how to share it with the world.

24. Prioritize Personal Curiosity

In creative endeavors like podcasting, prioritize your own genuine curiosity and passion when selecting topics or guests. Authenticity stemming from personal interest resonates more deeply with the audience than trying to meet perceived expectations.

25. Revisit Early ‘Rough’ Work

When a creative project seems to be struggling, revisit early, seemingly ‘rough’ or imperfect work with a fresh perspective. Sometimes, underlying quality is obscured by minor imperfections that can be repaired, leading to unexpected success.

26. Remove Distractions for Clarity

Simplify your creative work and remove distractions to allow its core essence to emerge and fall into place. Sometimes, the solution to a problem is to take things away rather than add more.

27. Value Individual Interpretation in Collaboration

In collaborative creative work, value the unique ‘feel’ and individual interpretation each member brings, rather than striving for precise, metronomic perfection. These subtle differences and ‘imperfections’ create a richer, more authentic, and compelling whole.

28. Embrace Imperfection for Authenticity

Embrace imperfection in creative and communicative endeavors, as authenticity and human connection often thrive in less polished, more natural environments. Stumbles or minor disruptions can contribute to a more ‘real’ and relatable experience.

29. Empower Patients as Health Coaches

As a healthcare professional, adopt the role of an ‘invisible coach,’ reflecting back to patients their inherent autonomy, control, and influence over their own health. Guide them to realize their own power rather than dictating solutions.

30. Embrace Diverse Solutions

Recognize that there is no single ‘right way’ to approach complex problems, especially in health. Be open to diverse and individualized solutions, understanding that what works for one person or situation may not work for another, and even the same person may benefit from different approaches.

31. Personal Struggle Builds Empathy

Understand that personal struggles, such as depression, can lead to increased grounding, a deeper connection to reality, and enhanced empathy for others’ difficulties. These experiences can transform a ‘superhuman’ feeling into a more rooted and compassionate perspective.

32. Core Health & Wellness Practices

Prioritize key health practices for overall well-being: consuming animal protein, sleeping on a cold bed, engaging in sauna and cold plunge therapy, regular physical activity, and meditation.

33. Diet First, Then Exercise

Prioritize diet as the foundational element for health, noting that exercise alone has limited impact. However, combining a good diet with exercise yields disproportionately greater benefits, acting as a multiplier for overall health.

34. Optimize Diet with Animal Protein

Consider incorporating animal protein (like fish and eggs) into your diet and reducing processed vegan foods, soy, and nuts, as these changes can significantly improve health and vitality, even if not immediately leading to weight loss.

35. Consider Calorie Counting for Weight Loss

If struggling with weight loss despite healthy eating, consider a calorie-restricted diet and calorie counting. While not always necessary for maintenance, it may be a helpful tool to understand calorie density and reach a specific target weight.

36. Reset Circadian Rhythm with Sunlight

Immediately expose yourself to natural sunlight upon waking, preferably outdoors and with as much skin exposed as possible. This practice naturally resets your circadian rhythm, leading to earlier and more consistent waking times.

37. Align with Evolutionary Biology

Strive to align your lifestyle with ’evolutionary truths’ and the way humans lived historically (e.g., thousands of years ago). Consider what your body’s DNA prefers, as modern living often neglects these natural preferences.

38. Low Aerobic Heart Rate Training

Engage in low aerobic exercise by monitoring your heart rate to stay within a specific target zone (e.g., using the ‘180 minus your age’ formula). Aim to keep your heart rate as close to this target as possible for the duration of your activity.

39. Sleep on a Cold Bed

Experiment with sleeping on a cold bed (e.g., using a sleep aid like a ChiliPad or Uller) to achieve deeper, more restorative sleep. This can significantly improve sleep quality and overall well-being.

40. Embrace Sauna and Cold Therapy

Incorporate regular sauna and cold water therapy (like ice baths or ocean plunges) into your routine. This practice can lead to profound mood elevation, reduce anxiety, and build mental resilience.

41. Sauna and Cold Plunge for Mood

Regularly engage in sauna and cold plunge sessions, as they can induce a euphoric effect, lead to the ‘best mood you’ve ever been in,’ and alleviate life’s concerns by forcing focus on the present discomfort.

42. Breath Hold for Mental Control

Practice breath hold meditation to learn how to quiet your mind and achieve stillness, even when your body signals primal discomfort. This builds mental control and empowerment, translating to greater composure in daily challenges.

43. Practice Metta Meditation Incrementally

Engage in Metta (loving-kindness) meditation by first directing well wishes towards yourself (‘May I be filled with loving kindness, May I be well, May I be peaceful and at ease, May I be happy’). After building a strong inner ‘charge,’ gradually extend these wishes to immediate family, then wider circles, and eventually the entire planet.

44. Trust Expert Advice, Experiment Boldly

Sometimes, to achieve a breakthrough, be willing to experiment by trusting an expert’s advice that seems ’extreme’ or counter-intuitive to your own beliefs. Temporarily ‘giving up what you thought was best’ can lead to unexpected positive outcomes.

45. Focus on Impact, Not Praise

When receiving praise for your work, focus on the positive impact it has on others and whether it achieved its intended purpose, rather than letting ego take over. This helps in managing external validation and staying true to your original intent.