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Esther Perel: Relationships and How They Shape Us (Re-Release) #256

Apr 9, 2022 1h 24m 54 insights
This is the third in a series of re-released episodes from the Feel Better Live More archives. In this conversation, I speak to arguably one of the world’s leading and most original thinkers on modern relationships, the wonderful, Esther Perel, who has long been on my dream guest list.   We talk about the many differences between relationships of the past and the relationships of now. How we are now all under pressure not only to have the perfect relationship, but also to portray this illusion to others as well.   Esther believes that it’s the quality of our relationships that determines the quality of our lives. And who we are is actually a combination of how we see ourselves and how others see us. We only really get to know ourselves through our interactions with others.   We talk about the idea that we are not one person but different with each person – and rather than being one-way, all interactions are reciprocal. We discuss the value of couples’ counselling and whether it’s something all relationships, healthy or otherwise, need. Reassuringly, we learn that there’s no such thing as a perfect relationship, they all follow a rhythm of harmony, disharmony and repair.   Esther and I touch and expand on our own situations and how the family history and values you bring to a relationship or marriage impacts the dynamic between you. She talks us through how much the concept of marriage has changed over the past century, and how it’s a tall order to ask just one person in our lives to meet all of our needs – needs which once would have been shared across our extended families and communities. This episode is a joyous celebration of all the relationships in our lives. It’s challenging, poignant but ultimately hugely practical. Esther offers some wonderful examples of practices we can all start implementing today, from rituals to build strength in our intimate relationships, to advice on reframing criticism or starting difficult conversations at work. The upshot? Rather than hoping others will change, we can be the change ourselves. It was a great pleasure to speak with such an incredible lady and I know that you will get a lot of value from hearing what she has to say. Thanks to our
Actionable Insights

1. Change Self to Change Others

If you want to see change in others, focus on changing your own behavior and narrative first, as this dynamic interplay will influence their story as well.

2. Prioritize Play and Joy

Do not defer play, pleasure, joy, and fun; integrate them into your life, especially during crises, as they are fundamental to humanity and well-being.

3. Approach Difficult Talks with “Yes”

Before a difficult conversation, check your internal state; aim to approach it with a “state of yes” (openness, acceptance) rather than a “state of no” (attack, rejection), which influences your physiology and outcome.

4. Offer to Simply Listen

In conversations, especially challenging ones, offer to simply listen without needing to agree, giving the other person’s point of view space and validity.

5. Implement a Daily Tea Ritual

Establish a daily “tea ritual” (or similar dedicated time) for at least five minutes with your partner, without distractions like phones, to consistently connect and deepen intimacy.

6. Uncover Wishes Behind Criticism

When receiving criticism, try to identify the underlying wish or unmet need behind it, rather than just reacting defensively.

7. Respond Constructively to Criticism

Instead of defensiveness, respond to criticism by acknowledging the reminder, expressing gratitude for high expectations, and inviting accountability, which can reframe the conversation positively.

8. Know Self Through Others

Understand that self-knowledge is gained through interactions with others, not in isolation, as your perception of self is influenced by how others see you and how you interact.

9. Co-Create Your Relationship

Recognize that relationships are a dynamic co-creation; you shape the relationship, and in turn, the relationship shapes who you become.

10. Embrace Relational Self

Adopt a relational perspective on self-identity, understanding that who you are is always a combination of how you see yourself and how others see you, and how you impact each other.

11. Observe Your Own Actions

Cultivate awareness of your own actions and how they trigger reactions in your partner, rather than solely focusing on their reactions to you.

12. Accept Relationship Rhythm

Understand that relationships naturally cycle through harmony, disharmony, and repair, or connection, disconnection, and reconnection; this rhythm is normal and not indicative of failure.

13. Reinvent Your Relationship Story

Actively reinvent your relationship by consciously changing your responses and communication patterns; if your partner says A, try a different response than your usual B to alter the story.

14. Gain Agency Through Story Change

Understand that by changing the narrative of your relationship, you can change your experience and regain a sense of agency over your life.

15. Understand Self for Better Relationships

Work on understanding yourself better, as this self-awareness will enable you to show up in your relationships more meaningfully and with less personal baggage.

16. Challenge Relationship Assumptions

Identify and challenge the underlying assumptions (e.g., “you don’t care about me,” “it will never be good enough”) that keep you stuck in a toxic relationship story.

17. Recognize Your Relationship Role

Be aware that you might be playing a character in your partner’s story that you don’t recognize as yourself, as relationships involve entering each other’s narratives.

18. Acknowledge Reciprocal Influence

Understand that your behavior and self-perception are reciprocally influenced by others, meaning your actions affect them, and their reactions in turn affect you.

19. Embrace Relational Identity Fluidity

Recognize that you are not a static “one person” but are shaped by each relationship, bringing out different aspects of yourself depending on the dynamic.

20. Seek Relationship Improvement Broadly

Engage in “relationship therapy” through various accessible means like listening to podcasts, reading books, or discussing with friends, not just formal therapy sessions.

21. Abandon Perfect Relationship Ideal

Let go of the expectation of a “perfect relationship,” as such a thing does not exist, reducing pressure and fostering acceptance.

22. Resist Societal Perfection Pressure

Resist the societal pressure to always be perfect and “shine” in your relationships; acknowledge areas for improvement without labeling yourself or your relationship as “good” or “bad.”

23. Redefine Relationship Success

Reframe your understanding of relationship success; longevity alone isn’t the marker, and having the option to leave for good reasons can be commendable.

24. Reflect on Upbringing’s Influence

Reflect on whether you were raised for autonomy (self-reliance) or loyalty (interdependence) and how this foundational outlook influences your relationships and expectations.

25. Identify Core Value Differences

Recognize that differing core values or upbringings (e.g., prioritizing family loyalty vs. individual happiness) can cause friction in relationships, and understanding these differences is key.

26. Clarify Commitment Values

Understand that the non-negotiability of commitment is a cultural value; clarify with your partner whether commitment is a fixed or re-evaluable aspect of your relationship.

27. Consider Cultural Context

When interacting with others, especially partners, consider their unique cultural context and avoid assuming more similarity than actually exists, even if backgrounds seem similar.

28. Reflect on Partner Choice

Reflect on the unconscious reasons you chose your partner and what you gain from the relationship that you might not have owned in yourself.

29. Learn from Past Challenges

View past relationship challenges as opportunities to grow closer, understand yourselves better, and recognize how your upbringing influences your current relational behavior.

30. Create Relationship Boundaries

Create clear boundaries around dedicated relationship time, signaling that attention is solely on each other and the value of your connection, not on tasks or external demands.

31. Prioritize Consistent Relationship Upkeep

Recognize that your relationship requires consistent upkeep, protection from external pressures, and symbolic rituals performed routinely to maintain its meaning and vitality.

32. Ensure Undivided Attention in Rituals

When engaging in relationship rituals, ensure you are in a different setting than work and free from phone distractions, making your partner feel important and appreciated for who they are.

33. Focus on Being, Not Doing

During dedicated connection time, focus on checking in with your partner about “who they are” and “how they are feeling,” rather than “what they have done,” to foster nurturing attention.

34. Cultivate Relationship Vitality

Implement rituals to bring energy, vitality, and aliveness into your relationship, moving beyond mere survival and functioning towards thriving together.

35. Explore Diverse Connection Rituals

Experiment with various connection rituals like walks, shared baths, or massages; the specific activity matters less than the shared intention to check in and prioritize each other.

36. Prioritize Eye Contact and Touch

Incorporate eye contact and physical touch into your daily interactions and rituals, as these are crucial for connection, soothing, and grounding, especially when touch is limited to those in your household.

37. Connect Through Nature

Engage in activities connected to nature, such as gardening or walking together, as slowing down and connecting with the elements can foster deeper connection.

38. Vary Interaction Styles

Experiment with both “face-to-face” (e.g., tea ritual) and “side-by-side” (e.g., walking, driving, cooking) interaction styles to foster different kinds of intimacy and deeper conversations.

39. Utilize Side-by-Side Intimacy

Engage in side-by-side activities like driving or lying in bed with loved ones, as this less intense posture can provide freedom for deeper, more intimate conversations.

40. Cook Together for Deep Talks

Cook with your children or partner, as the semi-distracted environment can create a relaxed setting that encourages deep conversations to emerge.

41. Expand Conversation Vocabulary

Listen to diverse and complex conversations (e.g., podcasts) to gain new vocabulary and frameworks for addressing challenging topics in your own relationships.

42. Prioritize Listening in Difficult Talks

When initiating challenging conversations, remember that the essence lies more in how you listen than in what you say, so focus on creating space for the other person’s perspective.

43. Open Difficult Talks with Care

Begin difficult conversations by acknowledging the discomfort of the topic but emphasizing its importance to you and the relationship, e.g., “Something we haven’t talked about, but our relationship matters too much to avoid it.”

44. Identify Core Conversation Themes

Before a difficult conversation, identify the underlying core themes at play (e.g., trust, power, care, recognition, integrity) as most impasses stem from these fundamental issues.

45. Incorporate Humor into Difficulties

Remember to allow for humor even during challenging conversations or crises, as it can be a necessary element for humanity and connection amidst tragedy.

46. Recognize Unofficial Work Resume

Be aware that you bring your “unofficial resume” (your relationship history and personal dynamics) to the workplace, which influences interactions and performance.

47. Address Personal Needs at Work

Learn how to communicate personal needs or challenges (e.g., caregiving responsibilities) in the workplace in a way that fosters understanding rather than resentment or misinterpretation.

48. Develop Relational Intelligence at Work

Prioritize developing relational intelligence in the workplace, as it is now considered a core skill essential for business success and team cohesion.

49. Prioritize Healthy Work Relationships

Understand that the quality of your relationships at work significantly impacts your overall well-being and sleep, making them crucial to prioritize.

50. Rewrite Relationship Stories

If your relationship story has become toxic or you feel stuck, consider seeking therapy to help rewrite that narrative and overcome limiting assumptions.

51. Find Reassurance in Shared Struggles

Seek out shared experiences or stories of others’ relationship challenges (e.g., through podcasts like “Where Should We Begin”) to find reassurance and open avenues for change in your own life.

52. Learn from Others’ Stories

Gain insight into your own relationship dynamics by observing and relating to the stories of other couples, which provides a helpful distance for reflection.

53. Share Relationship Challenges

Be vulnerable and share your relationship challenges and what you’ve found useful with others, fostering mutual support and making the world a better place.

54. Connect to Nature, Beauty, Sensuality

Actively connect with nature, beauty, joy, laughter, and sensuality to maintain your humanity and well-being, even amidst life’s difficulties.