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#78 - Sasha Cohen: The price of achievement, and redefining success

Nov 4, 2019 2h 13m 29 insights
<p>In this episode, Sasha Cohen, former US Olympic figure skater, discusses the most challenging things about life as an Olympian—the pressures, the expectations, years of sacrifice, but worst of all a loss of identity post-career resulting in many former Olympians suffering from depression. We begin by talking about everything that led up to her unforgettable moment from the 2006 Olympics, and how she handled herself so beautifully in the face of disaster. Most importantly, we talk about post-skating life when she shares many insights such as the downside of constantly striving for a moment, the hollowness of achievement, and the importance of redefining our definition of success.</p> <p><span style="color: #201f1e;">We discuss:</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /> <br /></span></p> <ul> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">Sasha's mindset going into the 2006 Olympics as the favorite [6:30];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">Figure skating basics, scoring, short program vs. long program, etc. [13:40];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">Sasha's unforgettable performance at the 2006 Olympics [18:10];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">Win, lose, or draw, why many Olympians suffer from a loss of identity [32:30];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">Dealing with the disappointment of "losing the gold" [40:30];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">The tiny window of opportunity for Olympians, and the overwhelming pressure to meet expectations [49:30];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">Sasha's unique childhood, finding figure skating, and channeling her hyperactive personality into becoming an amazing skater [1:01:30];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">The consequences of extreme training at a young age, and trying to control the uncontrollable [1:10:00];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">What is driving extreme athletes and Olympians to be the best? [1:18:30];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">Why many former Olympians and athletes struggle with depression [1:25:00];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">Refining success—How Sasha overcame her own loss of identity [1:32:30];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">What advice would Sasha give her 15-year-old self? [1:40:45];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">Lessons we can learn from watching the rapid downfall of many former Olympians [1:45:00];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">Advice for people who are tying their identity to being "successful" or striving to be "the best" [1:56:00];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">Life lessons Sasha wants to apply to being a mother to her baby boy she is expecting [2:05:00]; and</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #201f1e;">More.</span></li> </ul> <p>Learn more: <a href="https://peterattiamd.com/">https://peterattiamd.com/</a><br /> <br /> Show notes page for this episode:<a href="https://peterattiamd.com/sashacohen">https://peterattiamd.com/sashacohen</a><br /> <br /> Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: <a href="https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/">https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/</a><br /> <br /> Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: <a href="https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/">https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/</a><br /> <br /> Connect with Peter on <a href="http://Facebook.com/PeterAttiaMD"><u>Faceboo</u></a><u>k</u> | <a href="http://Twitter.com/PeterAttiaMD"><u>Twitter</u></a> | <a href="http://Instagram.com/PeterAttiaMD"><u>Instagram</u></a>.<br /></p>
Actionable Insights

1. Redefine Success for Happiness

Shift your definition of success from external, competitive achievements to internal measures of happiness and fulfillment, recognizing that societal definitions of success can be fleeting and may not align with personal well-being.

2. Challenge Societal Values

Be willing to let go of societal values and external projections of success (e.g., youth, thinness, beauty, material possessions) that are often profitable illusions, and instead focus on internal self-reflection and changing your relationship with yourself and the world.

3. Prioritize Relationships for Health

Recognize and prioritize the importance of strong relationships with family and friends, as a lack of social connection can exacerbate mental health challenges and lead to feelings of isolation.

4. Cultivate Diverse Interests

Develop a balanced life with diverse interests and strong friendships outside of your primary pursuit, as relying on one identity can lead to significant challenges when that pursuit ends.

5. Accept Limits of Control

Recognize and accept that you cannot control everything, especially in high-stakes situations, despite the natural tendency to believe you can prevent all negative outcomes.

6. Recognize Fleeting Achievement

Understand that even peak achievements are temporary moments that pass, and relying solely on them for identity or proof of worth leads to a constant need for new validation.

7. Choose Peak Performance or Well-being

Understand that achieving ‘best in the world’ status often requires sacrificing emotional well-being, social connections, and other aspects of a well-rounded life; you may need to choose between peak performance and holistic human functioning.

8. Learn to Ask for Help

Break the habit of always projecting strength and self-reliance; learn to ask for help and share vulnerabilities, as constant self-blame and suppression can be detrimental.

9. Balance Effort and Serendipity

Seek a balance between actively making life happen and allowing for serendipity and unexpected opportunities, recognizing that not everything can be controlled.

10. Prioritize Personal Desire

Reflect on what you genuinely want to do versus what you believe will impress others, aligning your actions with your ’eulogy’ values rather than just your ‘resume’.

11. Engage in Mindfulness for Perspective

Explore practices like meditation and studying philosophical texts to gain a broader perspective on life, counteracting the tendency to be singularly absorbed in immediate concerns.

12. Avoid Impossible Standards

Do not set impossible standards for yourself, as defining success too narrowly (e.g., only first place is acceptable) creates a small margin for feeling successful and leads to fleeting satisfaction.

13. Destigmatize Mental Health Talk

Talk openly about mental health issues to reduce stigma, as suppressing these struggles, especially as an athlete, can undermine performance and well-being.

14. Reframe Expectations for Appreciation

Shift your perspective from rigid expectations (e.g., ‘if I don’t win, I’m a failure’) to a lens of appreciation for the journey and the opportunity, especially as you mature.

15. Relearn Human Functioning Post-Focus

After a period of intense, singular focus (like elite athletics), consciously dedicate time to relearn and cultivate normal human functioning, including emotional expression and social connection, which may have been suppressed.

16. Cultivate Obstinacy, Adapt for Life

Develop obstinacy and persistence (not accepting failure, showing up repeatedly) for athletic greatness, but recognize that in life, this mindset needs adaptation to avoid rigidity and allow for new paths.

17. Break Down Overwhelming Tasks

To manage immense pressure and expectations, break down overwhelming tasks into simple, immediate steps, focusing only on what needs to be done in the present moment.

18. Recover Instantly from Setbacks

When faced with a physical or mental setback, immediately get back up and resume action without dwelling on the fall.

19. Use Self-Guidance During Performance

During a performance, use specific, word-by-word self-guidance to stay focused and execute tasks, especially after a mistake.

20. Block Negative Thoughts During Performance

During a performance or critical task, quickly block out negative thoughts and implications of mistakes to maintain focus and continue with the task at hand.

21. Balance Training to Prevent Injury

Navigate the delicate balance of training harder without pushing yourself to the point of injury, which can set you back.

22. Project Confidence in Competition

In competitive environments, project a brave face and conceal weakness, as showing fear can give opponents confidence and undermine your own performance.

23. Embrace Parenthood for Perspective

Embrace parenthood as an opportunity to shift from a self-centered worldview, reawaken a sense of play, and learn from a child’s fresh perspective on the world, moving beyond rigid expectations and responsibilities.

24. Foster Exploration in Children

Expose children to the world through travel and exploration, emphasizing life as an adventure filled with love rather than solely focusing on becoming a product or excelling at one specific thing.

25. Avoid Conflicts of Interest

To maintain trust with your audience, avoid advocating for products or services when you are being paid by the company that makes them, as this can undermine credibility.

26. Advocate Genuinely Valued Products

Only advocate for products or services that you are genuinely enthusiastic about, as it is difficult to speak enthusiastically about something you don’t truly believe in.

27. Build Subscriber Support Model

Consider a subscriber support model to maintain a simple and honest relationship with your audience, ensuring that value exchange is direct and transparent.

28. Watch Key Performance Videos

To gain context and a deeper understanding of a discussion about a specific performance, watch the relevant video beforehand.

29. Listen to ‘This Is Water’

Listen to David Foster Wallace’s ‘This Is Water’ talk daily for a week, then weekly for three months, and monthly thereafter, to gain perspective on self-worship and meaning.