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#57 – Rick Rubin, legendary music producer: collaborating with sensitive psyche of greatest living musicians, and his personal story of weight loss and spiritual quest

Jun 10, 2019 3h 3m 49 insights
<p>In this episode, Rick Rubin, legendary music producer and co-founder of Def Jam Records and American Recordings, discusses his early foray into music production which started as a hobby as a teenager and ultimately turned into a Grammy award-winning career that produced revolutionary changes in the music industry. Rick has worked with the likes of the Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Johnny Cash, just to name a small fraction. Rick talks about the pain and suffering that sometimes drives music and the cycle of drug addiction and how he has been able to help artists through those struggles to make space for their creative genius. We also get into Rick's own personal health journey including his battle with depression, his struggle with obesity, and ultimately his extraordinary transformation. Finally, Rick shares a really significant health scare which required emergency heart surgery, and how that experience has impacted him.</p> <p>We discuss:</p> <ul> <li>Early career, and the birth of hip hop [7:15];</li> <li>Early success of Def Jam Recordings, and working with LL Cool J [13:15];</li> <li>Revolutionary changes in music: LL Cool J, Beastie Boys, and Run DMC [19:30];</li> <li>Partnership with Columbia Records, and leaving Def Jam [26:45];</li> <li>The success of Licensed to Ill: how it took off, and how it changed things [36:00];</li> <li>American Recordings: Rick's transition to rock and roll [39:15];</li> <li>Working with the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and the poetic nature of music [45:45];</li> <li>Rick's favorite music that he did NOT produce [53:00];</li> <li>Prevalence of drug use and emotional pain in musicians: Rick's experience with helping artists through their struggles [57:20];</li> <li>NYC vs. LA hip hop [1:05:30];</li> <li>Rick's battle with depression [1:10:00];</li> <li>Coping with the death of artists that Rick worked with [1:22:00];</li> <li>Working with Johnny Cash [1:26:45];</li> <li>Working with Rage Against the Machine [1:34:30];</li> <li>The digital age of music: Have we lost something? [1:37:45];</li> <li>Rick's health journey and battle with obesity [1:42:45];</li> <li>Radical weight loss: How Rick was finally able to shed the weight [2:00:15];</li> <li>Total transformation: Exercise and training with Laird Hamilton [2:11:00];</li> <li>Emergency surgery: Rick's frightening heart condition [2:25:30];</li> <li>Methylene blue and exogenous ketones: Are they neuroprotective? [2:46:15];</li> <li>The most profound thing Rick learned about himself from his heart condition and major surgery? [2:52:30];</li> <li>What life lessons does Rick wish to impart on his son? [2:57:30]; and</li> <li>More.</li> </ul> <p><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">Learn more at <a href="http://www.peterattiamd.com/">www.PeterAttiaMD.com</a><br /> Connect with Peter on <a href="Facebook.com/PeterAttiaMD">Facebook</a> | <a href="Twitter.com/PeterAttiaMD">Twitter</a> | <a href="Instagram.com/PeterAttiaMD">Instagram</a>.<br /></span></p>
Actionable Insights

1. Prioritize Artistry, Trust Commerce Follows

Focus solely on perfecting the art itself, avoiding overthinking commercial outcomes or external opinions, as true artistic quality will naturally lead to commercial success.

2. Embrace Long-Term Creative Incubation

Allow creative ideas to incubate over a long period, only moving forward with a specific piece when it feels fully formed, rather than rushing to produce a large volume of material.

3. Optimize Circadian Rhythm for Vitality

Prioritize aligning your work and sleep schedule with natural circadian rhythms (e.g., working during the day, sleeping at night) to significantly improve overall health and vitality.

4. Implement Structured Calorie & Protein Diet

For significant weight loss, follow a precisely calculated calorie-restricted diet focused on high protein and low carbs, with frequent protein shakes and a light dinner.

5. Integrate Mental & Physical Challenge

Seek out exercise routines that are as mentally challenging as they are physically demanding, such as balance-focused or multi-tasking movements, to enhance focus and engagement.

6. Utilize Extreme Environments for Meditation

Engage in extreme environments like saunas or ice baths to induce a ‘forced meditation’ state, where the preoccupation with survival helps quiet the mind and fosters deep presence and focus.

7. Lead by Example in Parenting

Understand that the most profound lessons for children are imparted through the demonstration of a loving relationship and a caring household, rather than just verbal instruction.

8. Balance Hard Work with Fun

Embrace hard work as a fulfilling commitment, but consciously balance it with having fun, avoiding a workaholic mindset to live a more well-rounded life.

9. Employ Multi-Modal Therapy for Depression

When dealing with depression, consider a comprehensive approach including psychiatrists, psychologists, acupuncture, herbal remedies, massage, and dietary changes to support brain chemistry.

10. Deplete Glycogen for Weight Loss

To effectively lose weight, focus on depleting glycogen stores in the liver and muscles through a combination of exercise and calorie restriction, with particular emphasis on carbohydrate restriction.

11. Advocate for Non-Opiate Pain Management

For post-operative pain, advocate for a comprehensive non-opiate pain management plan, including epidurals, NSAIDs, and Tylenol, to minimize opiate use and its associated risks.

12. Re-evaluate Dietary Assumptions for Health

Be open to re-evaluating long-held dietary beliefs, even those considered ‘healthy’ (like veganism), if they are not producing desired health outcomes, such as weight management.

13. Seek Mentorship from Inspiring Role Models

When confronted with seemingly impossible feats, seek out the methods and mentors of those who achieve them, to learn and apply their strategies to your own life.

14. Foster Creative Collaboration Through Play

Engage in playful, social activities with collaborators, like trying to make each other laugh, to organically generate creative ideas and material.

15. Apply Traditional Structures to New Forms

Experiment with applying traditional structures, like song structure (verse-chorus), to new or unconventional art forms to potentially enhance their appeal and accessibility.

16. Prioritize Artistic Integrity Over Business

Be willing to walk away from established success and financial gain if a partnership or business structure compromises your artistic vision or the well-being of the artists.

17. Re-evaluate and Rebuild Suboptimal Frameworks

If an existing framework for your work is not optimal, be prepared to immediately dismantle it and build a new one that better supports your goals.

18. Cultivate Empathy for Sensitive Souls

Recognize that highly creative individuals often possess extreme sensitivity, which can be both a source of their genius and a challenge for navigating life, fostering greater empathy for their struggles.

19. Seek Help for Crippling Depression

If experiencing crippling depression, understand that it can be a long process (e.g., two years) to navigate, and seeking professional help is crucial.

20. Adapt Work to Mental Health Needs

During periods of severe mental health challenges, adapt your work methods (e.g., working from bed, in ‘windows’) to continue contributing while prioritizing recovery.

21. Persevere in Finding Right Medication

If medication is deemed necessary for mental health, be prepared for a trial-and-error process, as finding the right drug can take time and multiple attempts.

22. Cultivate Empathy from Vulnerability

Understand that experiencing profound vulnerability and personal struggles can lead to a deeper, more profound sense of empathy for others.

23. Maintain Purpose Through Consistent Work

In times of profound grief or loss, maintain a rigorous work schedule and consistent engagement with your craft, as it can provide a vital reason to continue living.

24. Engage Actively with Poetic Art Forms

Actively engage with poetic art forms like music and books, allowing your imagination to create personal mental images and narratives that can evolve and deepen over time.

25. Revisit Art with Evolving Perspective

Revisit and re-experience art, especially music, at different stages of life, as your age and accumulated experiences will profoundly change your understanding and emotional connection to the work.

26. Cultivate Mindful Listening

Practice mindful listening by ensuring you are in the right frame of mind, present, and open when evaluating new music or art, preventing your internal state from unfairly influencing your perception.

27. Address Generational Shame, Body Image

Recognize and address generational shame and negative body image issues, as these can profoundly impact one’s relationship with weight and self-perception from childhood.

28. Implement Zone 2 Cardio with Monitor

Use a heart rate monitor to practice consistent, low-intensity (Zone 2) cardio, starting with short durations and gradually increasing to an hour, to improve cardiovascular health and metabolic function.

29. Persist Despite Slow Progress

If following a health protocol diligently yields minimal physical changes (e.g., only 5 lbs lost in two years), persist with the beneficial habits while recognizing deeper, underlying issues may be at play.

30. Reintroduce Key Nutrients as ‘Medicine’

When reintroducing essential foods (like fish and eggs) that you dislike, think of them as necessary medicine and find creative ways to mask their taste to ensure consumption.

31. Use Frequent Protein to Manage Hunger

Consume protein shakes frequently (e.g., every two hours) throughout the day to maintain satiety and prevent hunger, especially during calorie-restricted diets.

32. Savor Restricted Foods Mindfully

When on a restrictive diet, mindfully savor the limited ’treat’ foods you allow yourself, enhancing appreciation and satisfaction.

33. Adopt a ‘Haven’t Done It Yet’ Mindset

When facing a physical challenge, adopt a mindset of ‘I haven’t done it yet’ instead of ‘I can’t do it,’ fostering a growth-oriented approach to overcoming limitations.

34. Innovate Exercise with Creative Constraints

Experiment with creative constraints in exercise, like using lighter weights underwater for breath-hold jumps, to discover new forms of training that integrate physical and mental discipline.

35. Embrace Novelty and Problem-Solving

Approach training and challenges with a problem-solving mindset, seeking out novel methods and figuring out how to achieve what hasn’t been done before, rather than solely relying on established routines.

36. Use Exercise to Enhance Life Vitality

Engage in consistent exercise not just for physical health, but as a means to feel more ‘alive’ and engaged in all aspects of life, extending vitality beyond specific work domains.

37. Request Non-Dextrose IV Fluids Post-Op

If undergoing surgery and accustomed to a low-carb diet, request non-dextrose intravenous solutions (e.g., lactated ringers) to avoid a metabolic shock from sugar and support recovery.

38. Embrace Human Resilience

Recognize and embrace the inherent capacity of humans to handle significantly more adversity and challenge than they initially believe, fostering a sense of inner strength.

39. Optimize Performance, Health, Longevity

Cultivate a hunger for optimizing performance, health, longevity, and critical thinking to live a higher quality, more fulfilling life.

40. Access Podcast Resources

Visit peteratiyahmd.com for more information on episodes and topics, including show notes, downloadable transcripts, and AMA episodes for members.

41. Seek Information for Better Decisions

Actively seek out and access information, as it is crucial for making better decisions and improving the quality of your life.

42. Support Content You Value

If you value the content being produced, consider becoming a member and supporting the creators through a subscriber model to ensure its continued production and maintain an honest relationship.

43. Pursue Enjoyable Creative Endeavors

Engage in creative activities you enjoy, like recording music with a band, as this can be a fulfilling first step into a professional path.

44. Seek Out Niche Cultural Scenes

Actively seek out small, underground clubs or venues dedicated to emerging or niche cultural movements to experience authentic and groundbreaking art forms.

45. Develop Strong Lyrical Ability

Focus on developing a great vocabulary and command of language in your creative expression, ensuring your presentation is believable and authentic.

46. Start Creative Projects with Minimal Resources

Begin creative projects with very little money, as it’s possible to produce impactful work with minimal financial investment, focusing on the art itself.

47. Focus on Sustainability in Creative Ventures

For creative projects, prioritize selling enough to fund the next project rather than immediate profitability, allowing the art to sustain itself.

48. Recognize Value of High Barriers

Understand that high barriers to entry in creative fields can lead to a higher signal-to-noise ratio and potentially higher quality output, as only the most skilled or dedicated can succeed.

49. Acknowledge Profound Life Changes

Recognize that single, seemingly minor events can profoundly alter one’s sense of self and vulnerability, leading to a permanent shift in perspective.