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#56 - Jocko Willink, retired Navy SEAL, Part II of II: Sleep, fasting, raising kids, discipline, taking ownership, and the impact of war

Jun 3, 2019 1h 31m 36 insights
<p>In the second installment of this 2 part series, Jocko shares his sleep routine and attitude towards sleep, we talk about his meals (and occasional indulgences), his experience with fasting, and touch briefly on his workout routine. Jocko explains his approach to leading a family, instilling values in his kids, and working with others who may not share your same principles. We also find out what prompted Jocko to make discipline the underpinning principle of his life, when it might make sense to quit, and the philosophical topics such as free will, mindset, and whether or not you can change someone. We also discuss 9/11 and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the future of warfare, and perhaps more importantly, how Jocko's experience in combat has shaped and impacted his life to this day.</p> <p><strong>We discuss:</strong></p> <ul> <li>Where was Jocko when the 9/11 attack occurred? What did he think? [5:45];</li> <li>How SEAL teams are structured, and which teams Jocko was on [10:45];</li> <li>War in Afghanistan: Unique challenges, how it differs from Iraq, and the lessons learned [13:00];</li> <li>Iraq War: Differing public opinions on war, Jocko's experiences in Iraq, strategic mistake of ISIS, and the Saddam regime [19:15];</li> <li>The future of warfare: machine technology in war and medicine [27:30];</li> <li>Raising kids, instilling values, and leading a family [33:45];</li> <li>Sleep: Jocko's habits, routine, and attitude towards sleep [40:15];</li> <li>When it makes sense to quit [53:30];</li> <li>What makes Jocko different, the existence of free will, and whether or not you can change people [1:01:45];</li> <li>How to work with people with a bad attitude and opposing mindset [1:07:45];</li> <li>Does Jocko ever indulge? Favorite foods and treats [1:11:00];</li> <li>Fasting and meal timing [1:16:30];</li> <li>Olivia (Peter's daughter) interviews Jocko [1:21:45];</li> <li>What prompted Jocko to start prioritizing discipline in his life? [1:22:15];</li> <li>What does Jocko do in his workouts? [1:23:30];</li> <li>Where did the nickname, Jocko, come from? [1:24:20];</li> <li>Jocko's favorite book, his best advice, and secret to getting up early [1:25:50];</li> <li>The impact that war had on Jocko [1:28:00]; and</li> <li>More.</li> </ul> <p><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">Learn more at <a href="http://www.peterattiamd.com/">www.PeterAttiaMD.com</a><br /> Connect with Peter on <a href="Facebook.com/PeterAttiaMD">Facebook</a> | <a href="Twitter.com/PeterAttiaMD">Twitter</a> | <a href="Instagram.com/PeterAttiaMD">Instagram</a>.<br /></span></p>
Actionable Insights

1. Discipline Leads to Freedom

Observe highly effective individuals to understand that discipline, manifested through habits like arriving early, maintaining gear, and consistent effort, leads to improved performance and ultimately grants greater freedom in all aspects of life.

2. Adapt Tactics, Preserve Strategy

In tactical situations, be willing to abandon a failing plan or path. However, never give up on your overarching strategic goal, continuously adapting your approach until it is achieved.

3. Own Excuses to Foster Ownership

When team members make excuses, take ownership of their stated problems (e.g., lack of funding, resources, or personnel) as your own fault. This disarming approach encourages them to eventually take ownership themselves.

4. Lead Family with Decentralized Command

Apply decentralized command principles to leading your family: communicate the goal, then allow family members to contribute to forming the plan. This fosters commitment and respect, unlike barking orders.

5. Influence, Don’t Impose Change

Acknowledge that people are fundamentally who they are and can only truly change themselves. As a leader, you can influence and offer course correction, but you cannot impose transformation.

6. Take Ownership for Kids’ Failures

When your children make mistakes, take ownership yourself by framing their failure as your own inability to impress upon them the importance of the task. This disarms them and encourages them to take ownership too.

7. Cultivate Empathy for Differing Work Ethic

Reflecting on concepts like free will can foster greater understanding and empathy for individuals who do not share your work ethic or values, helping to dissolve resentment towards differing approaches.

8. Reject “It’s Different For You” Mindset

Avoid the mindset that things are easier for others because they are ‘different’ or ‘superhuman.’ Recognize that everyone faces challenges and this perspective can be a self-limiting belief.

9. Prioritize Adequate Sleep

Sleep is crucial for cognitive function; lack of it can significantly impair decision-making. Therefore, prioritize getting as much sleep as your body needs to maintain optimal performance.

10. Acknowledge Individual Sleep Needs

Recognize that individuals may have different sleep requirements, as evidenced by varied sleep patterns observed even within a single family.

11. Simple Early Wake-Up Rule

To consistently wake up early, set your alarm and, when it goes off, immediately get out of bed without hesitation.

12. Optimal Power Nap Protocol

For an optimal power nap, elevate your feet above your heart and set an alarm for precisely eight minutes (10-12 minutes can lead to grogginess). This short nap can make you feel fully rested.

13. Use Bed Cooling for Better Sleep

Utilize a bed cooling system, such as a ChiliPad, to mitigate night sweats and potentially reduce the occurrence of vivid nightmares, leading to more comfortable sleep.

14. Jocko’s Sleep Schedule

Jocko typically goes to bed at 11 PM and wakes up at 4:30 AM, setting an alarm to avoid anxiety, though he often wakes naturally between 4 and 4:30 AM.

15. Jocko’s Pre-Sleep Routine

Jocko’s pre-sleep routine involves returning from Jiu Jitsu around 7:30-8 PM, eating his biggest meal after that, doing some work, spending time with kids, then more work, and brushing his teeth around 10:30-10:40 PM before bed.

16. Practice Intermittent Eating

Jocko typically eats between zero and two meals a day, often skipping breakfast and focusing on lunch and/or dinner.

17. Jocko’s Fasting Protocol

Jocko practices intermittent fasting by skipping a full day of eating once or twice a week, and also undertakes a 72-hour fast once every quarter.

18. Aim for Three-Day Fasting Tipping Point

Consider aiming for at least a three-day fast, as this duration is suggested to be a ‘real tipping point’ for significant benefits, particularly in terms of glycogen release.

19. Embrace Fasting’s Empowering Challenge

Undertaking a fast, even if challenging, is an empowering experience that connects you to ancestral capabilities, proving your resilience and capacity to achieve difficult feats.

20. Adopt a “No Factor” Fasting Mindset

Approach fasting with a ’no factor’ mindset, reminding yourself that humans are capable of going extended periods without food. This perspective helps overcome mental barriers for shorter fasts, such as 24 or 36 hours.

21. Enhance Fasting Sleep with Supplements

To improve sleep quality during fasting, consider using supplements like Kirk Parsley’s and phosphatidylserine, which can help achieve deeper and more restful sleep.

22. Replace Unhealthy Indulgences

Create or find healthier alternatives to your favorite unhealthy indulgences. Jocko replaced mint chocolate chip milkshakes with a custom supplement, eliminating the desire for the less healthy option.

23. Find Your Satiating Dark Chocolate

When indulging in dark chocolate, aim for a higher percentage (e.g., 80-85%) where it tastes good but leaves you satisfied after a few squares, rather than lower percentages (e.g., 72%) that can lead to overconsumption.

24. Utilize Allulose as a Sweetener

Consider using allulose as a sweetener, as it offers a similar taste and mouthfeel to sugar but is minimally absorbed and excreted by the kidneys. It also has the unique property of potentially lowering blood sugar.

25. Consider Abstaining from Alcohol

Jocko decided to stop drinking alcohol after retiring from the Navy, noting that it was a natural shift when his social environment changed, and he now maintains a policy of not drinking at all.

26. Assess Technology’s Problem-Solving

Before adopting new technology, critically ask what specific problem it solves. This helps determine if it provides a genuine advantage or is merely a drawback in certain applications.

27. Teach Timeless Values Early

To instill important values in children, create or use resources that present clear, simple, and timeless lessons, making them easy for kids to understand and internalize.

28. Allow Kids Self-Discovery

When teaching values, avoid imposing them too forcefully. Instead, allow children to discover principles and truths for themselves to foster genuine understanding and commitment.

29. Apologize for Parental Mistakes

Be good at acknowledging and apologizing for your mistakes to your children. This models humility and helps them understand that everyone, including parents, makes errors.

30. Embrace Mistakes Without Ego

Don’t hide your mistakes; instead, acknowledge them, even with humor, and show that you have no ego when it comes to admitting errors.

31. Jocko’s Diverse Workout Routine

Incorporate a diverse range of exercises into your workouts, including bodyweight movements like push-ups, pull-ups, and burpees, as well as weight training with deadlifts, kettlebells, and various squats, plus cardio like sprinting, rowing, and air cycling.

32. Maximize Value from Challenging Team Members

If you cannot remove underperforming team members, focus on maximizing the value they can add. Take ownership of their excuses and work to fix the underlying issues, rather than simply dismissing them.

33. Maneuver Against Larger Competitors

When facing larger, less mobile competitors, avoid wars of attrition. Instead, focus on being more maneuverable and identifying their weaknesses to attack them strategically.

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35. Anticipate Regret of Quitting

When facing the urge to quit in a moment of weakness, anticipate the future regret you will feel for giving up, using this foresight to push through the challenge.

36. Cultivate Gratitude for Experience

Embrace gratitude for challenging experiences and the people you encounter, as these can be profoundly humbling and transformative, making you a better person by witnessing real sacrifice and dedication.