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#278 ‒ Breast cancer: how to catch, treat, and survive breast cancer | Harold Burstein, M.D., Ph.D.

Nov 6, 2023 2h 10m 27 insights
<p><a href="https://peterattiamd.com/haroldburstein/?utm_source=podcast-feed&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=231106-pod-haroldburstein&amp;utm_content=231106-pod-haroldburstein-podfeed"> View the Show Notes Page for This Episode</a></p> <p><a href="https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/?utm_source=podcast-feed&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=231106-pod-haroldburstein&amp;utm_content=231106-pod-haroldburstein-podfeed"> Become a Member to Receive Exclusive Content</a></p> <p><a href="https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/?utm_source=podcast-feed&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=231106-pod-haroldburstein&amp;utm_content=231106-pod-haroldburstein-podfeed"> Sign Up to Receive Peter's Weekly Newsletter</a></p> <p>Harold (Hal) Burstein is an internationally renowned breast cancer expert. In this episode, Hal discusses a broad range of topics related to breast cancer, starting with the intricacies of breast anatomy and the endocrinological factors at play. He covers the spectrum of breast cancer, from precancerous lesions to invasive breast cancer, classifying these conditions into a helpful framework. He delves into various screening methods, including self-exams, mammograms, ultrasounds, and MRIs, and addresses the ongoing debate surrounding early screening and detection. Hal provides insights into the latest advancements in cancer treatment, offering valuable guidance for individuals to understand their unique circumstances within the three primary categories of breast cancer. Finally, Hal delves into the role of genetics in breast cancer and brings attention to the less commonly addressed issue of male breast cancer.</p> <p><strong>We discuss:</strong></p> <ul type="disc"> <li>The prevalence and mortality rate of breast cancer in women [4:15];</li> <li>The anatomy of the breast and the complex factors behind breast cancer development [6:30];</li> <li>The three main categories of breast cancer [16:45];</li> <li>Breast cancer risk: the impact of menopause, estrogen, breast density, obesity, and more [21:15];</li> <li>Finding and evaluating lumps in the breast [25:30];</li> <li>Identifying and treating precancerous lesions like ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS) [31:00];</li> <li>Post-lumpectomy for DCIS: standard of care, future risk of cancer, and pros and cons of radiation and other preventative options [41:15];</li> <li>Lobular carcinoma in situ (LCIS): how it differs from DCIS in terms of treatment and future risk of invasive cancer [55:00];</li> <li>Breast cancer screening: mammography, ultrasound, MRI, and more [1:03:45];</li> <li>Invasive breast cancer: pathology report, surgery, and survival [1:11:00];</li> <li>The argument for aggressive screening for breast cancer [1:22:15];</li> <li>Advances in the treatment of breast cancer, adjuvant therapy, and neoadjuvant therapy [1:27:00];</li> <li>The use of hormone replacement therapy in women who are in remission from breast cancer [1:41:15];</li> <li>The role of genetics in breast cancer [1:44:45];</li> <li>The importance of multidisciplinary care delivered by cancer centers [1:53:15];</li> <li>Breast cancer in men [2:03:30];</li> <li>Parting thoughts and takeaways [2:05:45]; and</li> <li>More.</li> </ul> <p>Connect With Peter on <a href="https://twitter.com/PeterAttiaMD">Twitter</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/peterattiamd/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/peterattiamd/">Facebook</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8kGsMa0LygSX9nkBcBH1Sg">YouTube</a></p>
Actionable Insights

1. Prioritize Early Breast Cancer Detection

Actively pursue early detection methods for breast cancer, as catching tumors when they are small (2 cm or less with no lymph node involvement) significantly increases the chance of cure (90-95% 10-year remission). This is your best bet for a positive outcome.

2. Practice Breast Self-Awareness

Be aware of your body and breast tissue, understanding what feels normal, and seek medical evaluation immediately if you feel anything different, suspicious, or concerning. This approach, rather than rigid self-exams, has been shown to change mortality by allowing early detection.

3. Regular Mammography Screening

Regularly undergo screening mammograms as recommended by your doctor, as it is the most important screening tool for breast cancer. Supplement this with personal breast awareness.

4. Use MRI for High-Risk Screening

If you are at very high risk for breast cancer (e.g., strong family history, BRCA1/2 mutation), incorporate annual MRI screening, often staggered with mammograms, into your detection plan. This is a crucial tool for early detection in high-risk populations.

5. Seek Multidisciplinary Cancer Care

When diagnosed with breast cancer, seek care from a multidisciplinary team that includes surgeons, radiation oncologists, medical oncologists, pathologists, genetic counselors, and imaging specialists. This collaborative approach ensures comprehensive and coordinated treatment.

6. Assess Cancer Care Team Collaboration

When choosing a cancer care facility, evaluate whether the providers (surgeons, oncologists, radiologists, pathologists) regularly communicate and function as a unified team, potentially through monthly tumor boards. A lack of such collaboration might indicate a need to seek care elsewhere.

7. Obtain Second Pathology Opinion

Always consider getting a second opinion on your pathology slides, especially if there’s any ambiguity or if your local center is less experienced. You have the right to request a section of your tissue specimen be sent to another pathologist for review.

8. Undergo Genetic Testing Post-Diagnosis

Following a breast cancer diagnosis, pursue genetic testing to identify any hereditary gene mutations (e.g., BRCA1/2, PALB2, CHEK2, ATM). This information is crucial for tailoring your treatment, surveillance, and prevention strategies, and for informing family members.

9. Consult Genetic Counselor for Family History

If you have a strong family history of cancer, consult with a genetic counselor or a cancer center specialist to discuss genetic testing options. This ensures appropriate testing and interpretation of results for personalized risk assessment.

10. Get Suspicious Lumps Evaluated

If a breast change or lump is appreciated by you or a clinician, ensure you get appropriate imaging (mammography, ultrasound, MRI) and, if necessary, a tissue biopsy to understand what is happening. This is crucial for accurate diagnosis and timely intervention.

11. Understand Adjuvant Therapy’s Role

If diagnosed with early-stage breast cancer, understand that adjuvant therapy (radiation, drug therapy) is crucial after surgery to target and eliminate any microscopic cancer cells that may have spread, thereby preventing recurrence.

12. Consider Neoadjuvant Therapy

If you have a larger breast tumor, discuss neoadjuvant therapy (drug therapy before surgery) with your team. This approach can shrink the tumor, potentially allowing for less extensive surgery, and provides valuable prognostic information based on the tumor’s response.

13. Utilize Genomic Tests for Chemotherapy

For ER-positive, HER2-negative breast cancer, discuss genomic tests like Oncotype DX with your oncologist. These tests help determine your tumor’s risk and can often help you avoid unnecessary chemotherapy if your score indicates low risk.

14. Modern Radiation Minimizes Heart Risk

Be aware that modern radiation therapy techniques for breast cancer, such as tangential field radiation and breath-holding, are designed to minimize risk to the heart and lungs. Discuss these advancements with your radiation oncologist to understand the significantly reduced risks compared to older methods.

15. Inquire About Shorter Radiation Courses

Ask your radiation oncologist about the possibility of shorter radiation treatment courses, as the standard has decreased from 25 fractions to 16, with even shorter 5-day options being explored. This can reduce the overall time commitment for treatment.

16. Actively Manage Anti-Estrogen Side Effects

Be proactive in discussing and managing side effects from anti-estrogen therapies (like hot flashes, vaginal dryness, bone issues) with your oncology team. Many non-hormonal or localized hormonal options exist to alleviate discomfort and maintain quality of life.

17. Re-evaluate Treatment for Severe Side Effects

If you are experiencing severe or life-altering side effects from a long-term medication, such as tamoxifen, do not hesitate to revisit the discussion with your oncologist. It is important to communicate your quality of life concerns and explore alternative strategies.

18. Avoid Systemic HRT Post-Cancer

If you have a history of breast cancer, generally avoid oral hormone replacement therapy (HRT) due to systemic estrogen exposure. Instead, explore non-hormonal or localized hormonal treatments for menopausal symptoms that do not result in significant systemic absorption.

19. Undergo Excisional Biopsy for DCIS

If diagnosed with DCIS via core biopsy, typically undergo an excisional biopsy to surgically remove the affected breast tissue. This removes the DCIS and helps detect if there’s an underlying invasive cancer component (which occurs in 15-20% of cases).

20. Consider Radiation After DCIS Lumpectomy

If you are a younger, healthy woman (70 or younger) diagnosed with DCIS and have had a lumpectomy, strongly consider a course of radiation therapy to the breast. This is a standard approach to significantly lower the risk of DCIS or new invasive breast cancer recurrence in the breast.

21. Discuss Anti-Estrogen Therapy for DCIS

Discuss with your doctor whether to add anti-estrogen therapy (like tamoxifen or aromatase inhibitors) after DCIS treatment, understanding it offers a modest 3-5% reduction in recurrence risk over a decade. Weigh this benefit against potential long-term side effects and personal preferences.

22. Closely Monitor LCIS

If diagnosed with LCIS, engage in very close medical monitoring and consider anti-estrogen therapy to lower your risk of developing breast cancer. Note that LCIS is typically managed with surveillance and medication, not surgery or radiation.

23. Evaluate Absolute Risk Reduction

When considering preventative therapies like tamoxifen for conditions like LCIS, understand that while relative risk reduction can be significant, the absolute risk reduction might be modest (e.g., a few percentage points). Weigh this carefully against potential side effects and your personal motivation.

24. Expect and Manage Radiation Skin Effects

Anticipate that radiation treatment can cause skin irritation similar to a severe sunburn, leading to redness, soreness, and swelling. Be prepared to manage this discomfort, knowing that these acute side effects typically resolve over time as the skin heals.

25. Men, Be Aware of Breast Changes

Men should be aware that they can develop breast cancer and should seek medical evaluation for any changes or nodularity in their breast tissue. Early detection in men, as in women, improves prognosis.

26. Understand Individual vs. Population Risk

Understand the difference between population-level cancer risk and your individual risk when evaluating personal health factors. This helps prevent undue alarm or complacency based on general statistics.

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