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#276 ‒ Special episode: Peter answers questions on longevity, supplements, protein, fasting, apoB, statins, and more

Oct 23, 2023 1h 19m 32 insights
<p><a href="https://peterattiamd.com/peter-faq/?utm_source=podcast-feed&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=231023-pod-peterfaq&amp;utm_content=231023-pod-peterfaq-podfeed"> View the Show Notes Page for This Episode</a></p> <p><a href="https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/?utm_source=podcast-feed&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=231023-pod-peterfaq&amp;utm_content=231023-pod-peterfaq-podfeed"> Become a Member to Receive Exclusive Content</a></p> <p><a href="https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/?utm_source=podcast-feed&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=231023-pod-peterfaq&amp;utm_content=231023-pod-peterfaq-podfeed"> Sign Up to Receive Peter's Weekly Newsletter</a></p> <p>In this special episode of The Drive, Peter discusses a variety of topics, breaking away from the typical deep-dive format to explore a wide range of common questions submitted by listeners. Peter tackles subjects like the viability of living to 120 and beyond, addressing some of the optimistic theories regarding achievement of this remarkable feat. Peter then shares his drug and supplement regimen while emphasizing how individualized these protocols need to be. The conversation also touches on lowering apoB, the long-term use of statins, the myth of good vs. bad cholesterol, the complexities of nutrition research, the quest for the ideal diet, and Peter's strategies for hitting daily protein goals. Peter finishes with a discussion about his favorite health-tracking wearables, the role of CGM in non-diabetics, and more.</p> <p><strong>We discuss:</strong></p> <ul type="disc"> <li>Overview of topics and previous episodes of a similar format [2:45];</li> <li>The viability of living to 120 and beyond: some optimistic theories [4:45];</li> <li>The potential of mTOR inhibition as a mid-life intervention, and longevity potential for the next generation [13:30];</li> <li>A framework for thinking about geroprotective drugs and supplements in the context of a lack of aging biomarkers [17:00];</li> <li>Supplements Peter takes and how his regimen has changed in the last year [26:15];</li> <li>Pharmacologic strategies to lower ASCVD risk, the limitations of statins, nutritional interventions, and more [36:15];</li> <li>Misnomers about cholesterol [48:00];</li> <li>Why nutritional research is so challenging, some general principles of nutrition, and why Peter stopped doing prolonged fasts [50:45];</li> <li>Optimizing protein intake [59:45];</li> <li>Wearables for sleep and exercise, continuous glucose monitors (CGM), and a continuous blood pressure monitor on the horizon [1:04:45]; and</li> <li>More.</li> </ul> <p>Connect With Peter on <a href="https://twitter.com/PeterAttiaMD">Twitter</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/peterattiamd/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/peterattiamd/">Facebook</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8kGsMa0LygSX9nkBcBH1Sg">YouTube</a></p>
Actionable Insights

1. Prioritize Energy Balance

Focus on achieving energy balance as the most important parameter for metabolic health, regardless of the specific diet chosen. Consuming even a ‘best’ diet in excess will lead to poor metabolic health.

2. Maximize Muscle Mass Pre-50

Prioritize putting on as much muscle mass as possible before entering middle age (over 50) to avoid a muscle deficit. This is crucial for physical robustness in the marginal decade, as muscle is harder to maintain and build later.

3. Compress Late-Life Morbidity

Fixate on reducing or compressing the period of physical and cognitive frailty in the last decade of life (the ‘marginal decade’). Aim for physical robustness as a centenarian, rather than just adding years to life.

4. Ultra-Primary ASCVD Prevention

Take dramatic steps early in life (e.g., in your 30s) to prevent ASCVD by ensuring ApoB never exceeds 30-40 mg/dL. Also, avoid even one year of mild hypertension and always maintain metabolic health.

5. Focus on Current Prevention

Be serious about using today’s tools for primary and secondary disease prevention and for optimizing lifespan and healthspan. This acts as a hedge against unlikely dramatic breakthroughs in extreme longevity.

6. Seek Biomarkers for Interventions

When using any intervention (nutrition, exercise, drugs, supplements), identify and use biomarkers to know if you are doing it correctly, taking the right amount, and if it’s working. Without measurable feedback, it’s a guessing game.

7. Apply Risk-Reward Matrix

Evaluate interventions (especially supplements) using a simple risk-reward matrix (low risk/high risk vs. low reward/high reward). Demand higher reward for higher risk interventions and be wary of high risk for no reward.

8. Target Low ApoB Pharmacologically

Aim for an ApoB target of 30-40 mg/dL, which often requires pharmacology, especially for those with genetic predisposition or high baseline ApoB. Consider a combination of drugs like PCSK9 inhibitors, bempedoic acid, and ezetimibe.

9. Utilize CGMs for Metabolic Insight

Use Continuous Glucose Monitors (CGMs) even as a non-diabetic to gain insights into metabolic health. Focus on lowering average blood glucose and reducing glucose variability (standard deviation), as these correlate with lower all-cause mortality.

10. Prioritize Dietary Sustainability

Choose a manageable and sustainable diet that can be adhered to indefinitely, even if it’s not ‘perfect,’ over a perfect diet that cannot be sustained long-term. A 7/10 diet sustained indefinitely is better than a 10/10 diet for three months.

11. Target High Daily Protein

Aim for a high daily protein intake (e.g., 150-180 grams for Peter) to support muscle mass. Spread this intake out into multiple ‘hits’ (e.g., four times a day).

12. Optimize Statin Use

If statins are necessary, aim for the lowest effective dose (e.g., 5mg Rosuvastatin for 85% efficacy) to minimize side effects. Monitor for side effects like muscle aches, elevated liver enzymes, and insulin resistance.

13. Individualize Supplement Regimen

Do not blindly follow someone else’s supplement list; understand the rationale, clinical history, and context. Regimens change over time based on new data and personal needs.

14. Lower ApoB via Nutrition

To lower ApoB without drugs, dramatically reduce carbohydrates (to lower triglycerides) and/or dramatically cut saturated fat (to upregulate LDL receptors). Acknowledge that this may not achieve optimal ApoB levels for everyone and sustainability is individual.

15. Use Accurate Cholesterol Terminology

Avoid using the terms ‘good’ or ‘bad’ cholesterol; instead, refer to LDL-C and HDL-C. Understand that LDL transports cholesterol into artery walls while HDL does not, reflecting a more accurate understanding.

16. Carbohydrate Restriction for Insulin Resistance

For patients with profound insulin resistance, carbohydrate restriction may be a more effective tool than general caloric or fat restriction to create a caloric deficit. This approach can help improve metabolic health.

17. Holistic View of Longevity

When studying long-lived populations, consider all contributing factors (activity, sleep, stress, social connections, environment) beyond just diet. Diet alone may not explain their longevity, as diverse diets exist among such groups.

18. Re-evaluate Fasting Protocols

If engaging in long fasting protocols, be aware of potential costs (e.g., muscle loss) and consider re-evaluating their utility in the absence of clear, biomarker-driven benefits. Peter stopped his long fasts due to lack of clear benefit and logistical challenges.

19. Anticipate Continuous Blood Pressure

Look forward to continuous blood pressure monitors (like the Actia device, available in Europe) becoming available in the US. These devices can provide frequent, objective blood pressure data to replace cumbersome ambulatory cuffs.

20. Anticipate LP(a) Drug Availability

For individuals with high LP(a), be aware of an antisense oligonucleotide drug in phase three trials that obliterates LP(a). While initially for secondary prevention, it may eventually be available for primary prevention (potentially off-label or with future insurance coverage).

21. Use Morpheus for Zone 2

Consider using a device like Morpheus to get a daily readiness score and heart rate training zones for zone two workouts. This can help approximate optimal training intensity, especially for those less attuned to RPE or unwilling to measure lactate.

22. Desire Continuous Lactate Monitoring

Express interest in continuous lactate monitoring during exercise to precisely understand metabolic breakdown and clearance during cardio and VO2 max training. This would offer a more accurate measure than heart rate or RPE.

23. Supplement Magnesium Daily

Aim for about 1 gram of total elemental magnesium daily, using forms like SlowMag, magnesium L-threonate (Magtein), and magnesium oxide for slow and complete absorption. Peter takes some of these at night.

24. Manage Homocysteine with B Vitamins

Consider taking methylfolate and methyl B12 (e.g., Gero brand, standard low dose) to keep homocysteine levels below 9. Adjust B6 intake (e.g., 50mg three times a week) to help with homocysteine while being careful not to overdo it due to neuropathy risk.

25. Target EPA/DHA Levels

Consider supplementing EPA and DHA (fish oil) to achieve a red blood cell membrane concentration of about 12%, using a blood test as a biomarker. Peter takes approximately 2g EPA and 1.5g DHA daily.

26. Supplement Vitamin D

Consider supplementing Vitamin D (e.g., 5,000 IU daily) due to its perceived insanely low risk, even if the exact reward is uncertain. Peter views it as potentially a $5 bill reward.

27. Consider Baby Aspirin

For younger individuals with low bleeding risk, a baby aspirin daily might be considered for potential cardiovascular benefits. Be aware the evidence is weak and benefits may be outweighed by bleeding risks in older individuals.

28. Ashwagandha for Nighttime

Consider taking 600mg of ashwagandha at night. Peter recently switched to the Solgar brand.

29. Glycine for Nighttime

Consider taking 2 grams of glycine at night. Peter uses the Thorn brand.

30. Phosphatidylserine for Travel

For long flights or significant time zone changes, consider taking phosphatidylserine (e.g., 400mg). Peter uses Gero’s 100mg gel caps.

31. Daily Green Drink

Consider incorporating a green drink like AG1 in the morning. Peter takes AG1 as his first consumption of the day.

32. Pendulum Glucose Control Probiotic

Consider this probiotic, especially if aiming to improve glycemic markers, as it has shown promise in reducing A1C and postprandial glucose AUC in type 2 diabetics. Peter takes two in the morning with his AG1.