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#229 ‒ Understanding cardiovascular disease risk, cholesterol, and apoB

Oct 31, 2022 1h 18m 14 insights
<p><a href="https://peterattiamd.com/understanding-cardiovascular-disease/?utm_source=podcast-feed&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=221031-pod-understanding-cardiovascular-disease&amp;utm_content=221031-pod-understanding-cardiovascular-disease-podfeed"> View the Show Notes Page for This Episode</a></p> <p><a href="https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/?utm_source=podcast-feed&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=221031-pod-understanding-cardiovascular-disease&amp;utm_content=221031-pod-understanding-cardiovascular-disease-podfeed"> Become a Member to Receive Exclusive Content</a></p> <p><a href="https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/?utm_source=podcast-feed&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_campaign=221031-pod-understanding-cardiovascular-disease&amp;utm_content=221031-pod-understanding-cardiovascular-disease-podfeed"> Sign Up to Receive Peter's Weekly Newsletter</a></p> <p>In this special episode of The Drive, we have pulled together a variety of clips from previous podcasts about cardiovascular disease to help listeners understand this topic more deeply, as well as to identify previous episodes which may be of interest. In this episode, Peter highlights the importance of understanding cardiovascular disease and why early intervention is critical. He also provides a primer on lipoproteins and explains the fallacy of the terms "good cholesterol" and "bad cholesterol." Allan Sniderman discusses the metrics measured in routine blood work – along with the limitations of those standard panels – before explaining why apoB is a superior metric for determining risk. Additionally, Tom Dayspring explains the causal role of apoB in atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease (ASCVD) and the therapeutic goals for apoB concentration, and Peter explains how early and aggressive lowering of apoB could change the landscape of cardiovascular disease prevention.</p> <p>We discuss:</p> <ul> <li>The importance of understanding atherosclerosis early in life [2:25]</li> <li>Defining ASCVD, its causes, and the role of cholesterol [8:00];</li> <li>Why early prevention of atherosclerosis is critical [13:45];</li> <li>Preventing atherosclerosis—two fatal flaws with the "10-Year Risk" approach [16:00];</li> <li>Intro to lipids and lipoproteins: why there is no "bad" or "good" cholesterol [23:00];</li> <li>Limitations of standard blood panels [35:45];</li> <li>How Mendelian randomization is bolstering the case for apoB as the superior metric for risk prediction [39:30];</li> <li>Therapeutic goals for apoB concentration [58:15];</li> <li>How early and aggressive lowering of apoB could change the course of ASCVD [1:10:45]; and</li> <li>More.</li> </ul> <p>Connect With Peter on <a href="https://twitter.com/PeterAttiaMD">Twitter</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/peterattiamd/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/peterattiamd/">Facebook</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8kGsMa0LygSX9nkBcBH1Sg">YouTube</a></p>
Actionable Insights

1. Aggressive ApoB Reduction

Adopt an aggressive and early approach to ApoB reduction, aiming for levels between 20-40 mg/dL (infantile levels), potentially starting in your 20s. This proactive strategy is suggested to potentially eliminate death from atherosclerotic causes, as evidence shows lower ApoB is better and pharmacologic lowering to these levels has no signal of harm.

2. Early ASCVD Prevention

Prioritize atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease (ASCVD) prevention when you are young (e.g., in your 30s and 40s), as the disease takes hold over decades and current guidelines often delay prevention until it’s well advanced. By your late 30s or early 40s, aim to lower ApoB to below 60 mg/dL (below the 5th percentile).

3. Prioritize ApoB Measurement

Insist on knowing your ApoB concentration as it is the most important biomarker for cardiometabolic risk, capturing the total atherogenic burden of lipoproteins (LDL, VLDL, IDL, Lp(a)). This metric is superior to LDL-C or even non-HDL-C for assessing risk and diagnosing specific conditions like Type 3 dyslipoproteinemia.

4. Understand LDL-C Limitations

Recognize that standard LDL cholesterol (LDL-C) is often an estimation, not a direct measurement, and multiple calculation methods exist, leading to varying results. The number of LDL particles (LDL-P) or ApoB is a more accurate index of risk than LDL-C.

5. Avoid ‘Good/Bad’ Cholesterol Terms

Refrain from using imprecise language like ‘good cholesterol’ or ‘bad cholesterol’ because the cholesterol molecules themselves are identical; the distinction lies in the lipoproteins (HDL and LDL) that transport them. Misusing these terms indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of lipid biology.

6. Don’t Rely on High HDL-C

Do not rely solely on a high HDL cholesterol (HDL-C) level as an indicator of good health, as it doesn’t reflect the functionality of HDL, which is what truly matters. Efforts to pharmacologically raise HDL-C have largely failed to improve cardiovascular outcomes.

7. Address All Risk Factors

Beyond ApoB, actively address other primary modifiable risk factors for ASCVD, which unambiguously include smoking and hypertension, and examine other treatable factors that might injure the endothelium or arterial wall.

8. Understand Dietary Cholesterol Impact

Recognize that the cholesterol consumed in food (e.g., eggs) has very little impact on the cholesterol levels measured in your bloodstream because most dietary cholesterol is in a form too large for gut absorption and is excreted.

9. Don’t Fear Low Plasma Cholesterol

Do not be concerned about very low plasma cholesterol levels resulting from lifestyle or pharmacological interventions, as they do not significantly deplete total body cholesterol. Cells can synthesize their own cholesterol, ensuring they have more than enough for essential functions.

10. Be Critical of Information

Be skeptical of information sources, especially those discussing lipids and lipoproteins, if they use imprecise or incorrect terminology like ‘good’ or ‘bad’ cholesterol, as this indicates a fundamental lack of understanding of the subject.

11. Understand Long-Term Risk

Focus on understanding your long-term (20-30 year) risk projections for ASCVD, especially if you are young, as these numbers provide a more meaningful context for prevention strategies than short-term (10-year) risk calculations.

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