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#168 - Hugh Jackman: Reflections on acting, identity, personal transformation, and the significance of being Wolverine

Jul 12, 2021 2h 9m 23 insights
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Hugh Jackman is an award-winning actor and an overall fascinating and introspective individual. In this episode, Hugh reflects upon his acting career, including how he navigated many tough decisions that led to important professional turning points for him. Peter and Hugh have an intimate discussion related to handling professional criticism, self-identity, spirituality, raising kids, and the role that past trauma often plays in extremely driven individuals. Hugh gives the inside scoop on some of his most well-known character roles and explains how he finds the energy to consistently perform. Finally, they tie the conversation together with a discussion on the importance of physical and mental health and wellbeing.</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /> <br /></span><span style="color: #000000;">We discuss:</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></p> <ul> <li><span style="color: #000000;">Hugh's voracious curiosity and early years of his acting career [2:15];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">Self-identity, overworking, and the importance of living well [9:15];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">Handling criticism and letting go of the desire to please everyone [18:30];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">Dismissing vitriol on social media, and the challenge of communicating science [28:15];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">Going with your gut and the value in finding the right partner [31:30];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">A hard decision that lead to a turning point in Hugh's life [40:15];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">How driven personalities often develop from a place of trauma, and how to avoid going from productive to destructive [47:00];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">The effect of fame on Hugh's family [58:45];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">How Hugh finds the energy to consistently perform, and the spiritual connection he feels when acting [1:07:15];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">Hugh's experiences on the set of The Fountain and the meaning behind the film [1:26:30];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">The potential of imagination, the idea of a higher power, and thoughts on science vs. religion [1:33:45];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">The deep connection Hugh felt to Logan (his character in Wolverine) [1:41:45];</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">Reflections on physical aging, emotional wellbeing, and longevity [1:55:15]; and</span><span style="color: #333333;"><br /></span></li> <li><span style="color: #000000;">More</span></li> </ul> <p>Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com/</p> <p>Show notes page for this episode: <span style="color: #333333;"><a href="https://peterattiamd.com/HughJackman">https://peterattiamd.com/HughJackman</a></span></p> <p>Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/</p> <p>Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/</p> <p>Connect with Peter on Facebook | Twitter | Instagram.</p> <p> </p>
Actionable Insights

1. Anchor to Eulogy, Not Resume

Prioritize qualities that will matter at your eulogy (e.g., character, relationships) over those on your resume (e.g., achievements). This helps in releasing identity from work and making deliberate trade-offs that align with long-term values.

2. Prioritize Relationships for Quality of Life

Don’t underestimate the power of relationships, as they play a greater role in the quality of your life than its length. A life of infinite length without meaningful relationships would be a form of misery.

3. Seek Support, Don’t Worry Alone

Ensure you have at least one trusted person, or ideally more, with whom you can share anything and everything. This helps combat loneliness and the inability to unload difficult emotions, which humans need to do.

4. Cultivate Curiosity About Others

Be immediately obsessed with and interested in every detail of what another person knows and how they’ve come to know it. This curiosity is essential for understanding human nature and excelling in fields that require insight into people.

5. Face Fear, Seize Opportunity

When an opportunity arises, especially if it’s scary, put your hand up and go first. This prevents sitting around being scared and ensures you don’t miss opportunities to try and grow.

6. Journal for Mental Health & Trade-offs

Engage in daily journaling to augment mental health and process thoughts. Use it to acknowledge and accept deliberate trade-offs between short-term performance and long-term values, such as prioritizing family over career opportunities.

7. Encourage Self-Love in Achievement

When encouraging children (or yourself) to achieve, ensure it comes from a place of self-love rather than self-flogging or beating oneself up. This fosters a healthier internal drive for success.

8. Embrace Sacrifice for Others

Find value and joy in the myriad petty ways you can sacrifice for other people, such as making small concessions for family. This act of giving contributes significantly to the richness and meaning of life.

9. Exercise Daily for Longevity

Aim to exercise nearly every day, as it is a potent, diffuse, and ‘gyro-protective’ agent that significantly slows down aging. The detrimental effects of being sedentary quickly highlight its importance for physical recovery and health.

10. Trust Gut for Big Decisions

When faced with major life decisions, especially those that bring absolute clarity despite conflicting data, trust your gut feeling. Going with these strong intuitions can lead to profound and lasting blessings.

11. Manage Exposure to Criticism & Praise

Avoid reading detailed reviews or comments about your work, especially for ongoing projects, as both negative and positive feedback can be detrimental. Instead, get a general ’temperature of the wall’ from a trusted source to stay informed without letting it get into your head.

12. Post and Ghost on Social Media

When sharing content on social media, adopt the ‘post and ghost’ approach by not looking at or responding to comments. This helps avoid vitriol and unproductive engagement, especially when dealing with polarizing topics.

13. Use Sensory Triggers for Focus

Create personal rituals involving specific sensory triggers, like wearing a particular scent, to mentally prepare for important events. This can help signal to your mind that it’s a ‘special night’ and enhance focus.

14. Make Every Interaction Special

Strive to make every performance or interaction unique and special for the audience or participants. Avoid simply ‘churning out’ the same experience, as people appreciate feeling that ‘something happened that night’.

15. Ground with Core Values in Pressure

Develop a personal signal or ritual to remind yourself of your most important relationships and values, especially in high-pressure situations. This can provide a sense of calm and reassurance, knowing that ’no matter what happens, everything’s going to be okay’.

16. Cultivate Empathy for Others

To truly understand people or characters, you must ‘fall in love’ with them by getting inside their heads, understanding their ambitions, failings, and desires. This deep empathy allows for a more profound connection and portrayal.

17. Don’t Over-Praise Children

Avoid excessive praise for children performing expected behaviors, such as putting a plate in the dishwasher. Treat these actions as expected, rather than extraordinary, to avoid fostering a constant need to please.

18. Encourage Critical Thinking & Passion

Advise children to ask challenging questions and pursue what they love, rather than just striving for good grades or being a ‘good girl’. Encourage them to know when ’enough is enough’ and practice discipline in doing less, as the world needs people who are authentic and passionate.

19. Acknowledge Parenting Challenges

Recognize and accept that parenting involves moments of being tired, angry, frustrated, and inconvenienced. It’s okay to experience these feelings, and having someone to call and talk to about them can be incredibly relieving.

20. Proactive Problem Solving

Instead of avoiding or aggressively confronting a persistent problem, proactively engage with those causing it to find a mutually beneficial solution. This can lead to unexpected cooperation and a better outcome for all parties.

21. Start Workouts Light, Build Up

Begin exercise routines with super light weights and gradually build up, rather than immediately ‘smashing it’. This approach makes the workout feel less like a chore, allows the body to adapt, and builds the desire to lift heavier.

22. Embrace Aging Naturally

Embrace the natural process of aging, including physical changes, rather than constantly fighting against it with cosmetic interventions. This perspective can lead to a more accepting and less exhausting approach to self-image.

23. Avoid Evening Carbs for Weight Loss

To lose weight, try not eating carbohydrates after 3 PM. This specific protocol was suggested by a professional bodybuilder and reportedly led to a loss of 3 to 5 kilograms in the first month.