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#51 Celeste Headlee: The Dying Art of Conversation

Feb 5, 2019 1h 13m 40 insights
Speaker, author and radio journalist Celeste Headlee has had decades of experience fine tuning the recipe for engaging and rewarding conversation. She shares some tips to help us instantly improve our conversational skills and meaningfully connect with others.   Go Premium: Members get early access, ad-free episodes, hand-edited transcripts, searchable transcripts, member-only episodes, and more. Sign up at: https://fs.blog/membership/   Every Sunday our newsletter shares timeless insights and ideas that you can use at work and home. Add it to your inbox: https://fs.blog/newsletter/   Follow Shane on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/ShaneAParrish
Actionable Insights

1. Listen to Understand

Shift your listening focus from formulating a reply to genuinely understanding the other person’s message, as this is crucial for effective communication.

2. Listen to the End

Actively listen to the very end of what someone is saying, resisting the urge to formulate your next response, as planning your reply prevents you from truly hearing them.

3. Listen to Consider, Not Evaluate

Practice listening to deeply consider what the other person is saying, rather than immediately evaluating it for agreement or correctness, as evaluative listening is not genuine listening.

4. Practice Transformative Listening

Strive for transformative listening, which involves a willingness to change your mind and consider other points of view as valid, moving beyond mere evaluation or interpretation.

5. Balance Talk and Listen

Approach conversations like a friendly game of catch, aiming for an even balance between talking and listening to ensure mutual engagement and exchange.

6. Avoid Conversational Narcissism

Be aware of and avoid ‘conversational narcissism,’ which is the tendency to shift the conversation back to yourself by sharing similar experiences rather than focusing on the other person.

7. Use Support Responses

Practice ‘support responses’ by asking questions about what the other person has said, rather than shifting the topic to your own experiences, to show engagement and support.

8. Avoid Equating Experiences

When someone shares a struggle or pain, avoid equating their experience with your own or saying ‘I know just how you feel,’ as you cannot truly know their feelings and it shifts focus away from them.

9. Resist Self-Comfort Default

When someone shares their pain, resist the urge to default to talking about your own experiences out of discomfort, as this shifts the focus away from their needs.

10. Be Mindful of Self-Talk Pleasure

Be aware that talking about yourself is highly pleasurable for you (dopamine shot) but not for the listener, so consciously balance the conversation to avoid monopolizing it.

11. Enable Others’ Conversational Success

In conversations, focus on setting the other person up for success by asking engaging questions and ensuring interactivity, rather than just focusing on what you want to say.

12. Foster Interactive Conversations

Keep conversations interactive for all participants, as this is how humans learn and remain engaged, preventing others from tuning out.

13. Seek Mutual Learning

Strive for a mutual exchange of information in conversations, considering it unsuccessful if both parties haven’t learned something new from each other.

14. Abandon Conversational Agendas

Approach conversations without a rigid agenda or talking points, as having a predetermined script makes you predictable and disengaging, like a pundit.

15. Ask Neutral, Open Questions

Encourage others to speak by asking simple, clear, direct, and unopinionated questions, without expressing agreement or disagreement, to facilitate open communication.

16. Seek Others’ Explained Experiences

Recognize that you cannot truly see the world through another’s eyes; instead, ask them to explain their own experiences and perspectives to foster empathy and avoid making assumptions.

17. Use Voice to Humanize

Prioritize hearing someone’s voice over text or email, as the sound of a voice transmits crucial information that humanizes the other person and fosters understanding and empathic bonds.

18. Practice ‘Yes, And’

Use the ‘Yes, And’ technique from improv by accepting what the other person has said without argument or contradiction, and then building upon it, to foster collaborative conversation.

19. Disengage When Defensive

If you or the other person starts to feel defensive, recognize that the conversation has turned into an argument and disengage, walking away to return later.

20. Refrain from Unsolicited Advice

Do not offer unsolicited advice, as it often has a negative emotional impact on the recipient, even if the advice is valuable.

21. Ask for Explanations of Beliefs

When encountering difficult or disagreeable viewpoints, ask the person to explain their perspective and reasoning, as this can lead to transformative understanding.

22. Keep Conversations Intimate

For productive and focused conversations, aim to keep them intimate, ideally one-on-one or with a maximum of three to four people, as it’s difficult to sustain attention with more participants.

23. Seek Best Ideas, Not Consensus

For innovation and problem-solving, accept that not everyone will agree and aim to find the best ideas among differing viewpoints, rather than striving for uncomfortable consensus.

24. Train Careful Listening

Cultivate careful listening skills, similar to how musicians are trained, because success in many professions and understanding complex information depends on it.

25. Practice Vertical Listening

When engaging with complex information or conversations, practice ‘vertical listening’ by paying attention to multiple layers and nuances simultaneously, similar to how an orchestra musician listens to all parts.

26. Listen Vertically for Complexity

When encountering complex information, practice ‘vertical listening’ by simultaneously perceiving multiple layers and voices, rather than just following a single narrative, to grasp the full picture.

27. Prioritize Clarity in Speech

Be extremely clear, simple, and precise in your language when speaking, as any moment of confusion will cause listeners to miss subsequent information while they process what they didn’t understand.

28. One Thought Per Sentence

Limit each sentence or phrase to a single thought, especially when communicating verbally, to ensure clarity and prevent listener confusion or loss of information.

29. Show, Don’t Tell Verbally

Use vivid, descriptive language and ‘show, don’t tell’ by explaining observations (e.g., ‘phone ringing constantly,’ ‘desk piled high’) rather than stating conclusions (e.g., ‘he was busy’) to allow listeners to form their own judgments.

30. Focus on Human Element

Remember that effective communication, regardless of the topic, is fundamentally about ‘people talking to people about people,’ emphasizing the human element in your storytelling.

31. Use the Fairy Tale Framework

Structure your communication, even complex topics, using a simple ‘fairy tale framework’ (beginning, middle, end) to provide context and ensure easy understanding for the audience.

32. Maintain Narrative Momentum

Ensure your story or explanation constantly moves forward, like a shark, providing the next logical ‘rung’ for the listener without any gaps, to maintain engagement and understanding.

33. Eliminate Opinionated Language

Remove subjective or opinionated words (e.g., ‘finally’) from your communication to maintain objectivity and prevent unintended bias in your narrative.

34. Gauge Understanding by Explanation

Assess the success of your communication by whether the listener can explain the topic to someone else, as this indicates true understanding rather than just passive reception.

35. Write for the Ear

When communicating verbally or writing for an audience that will listen, use clean, crisp language with one thought per sentence and avoid complicated structures to ensure easy understanding and absorption.

36. Embrace Continuous Training

Actively seek out and accept every possible training opportunity, fellowship, or workshop to address perceived deficiencies and improve skills, as this leads to professional growth.

37. Prepare Thoroughly for Conversations

Always read the relevant material (e.g., books, background info) before engaging in important conversations or interviews, as thorough preparation allows for sincere and deeper questioning.

38. Start Strong, Ask Direct

Begin conversations or interviews with a direct, impactful question that immediately gets to the core of the topic, avoiding lengthy wind-ups and demonstrating your knowledge.

39. Highlight Guest Expertise

As an interviewer, frame questions to allow your guest to shine and share their expertise, understanding that the goal is to extract their knowledge for the audience, not to showcase your own.

40. Interviewer Maintains Control

As an interviewer, maintain control of the conversation’s direction and flow, as this structured approach allows the interviewer to guide the discussion effectively.