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Tripping Out with a Legend: Jon Kabat-Zinn on Pain vs. Suffering, Rethinking Your Anxiety, and the Buddha's Teaching in a Single Sentence

Mar 29, 2023 44m 36s 14 insights
<p><em>New episodes come out every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday for free, with 1-week early access for Wondery+ subscribers.</em></p> <p>---</p> <p>A beautifully weird conversation with the creator of Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction. </p> <p><br /></p> <p>Jon Kabat-Zinn, Ph.D. is Professor of Medicine emeritus at the University of Massachusetts Medical School, where he founded its world-renown Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) Clinic in 1979, and the Center for Mindfulness in Medicine, Health Care, and Society (CFM), in 1995. He is the author of many books including <em>Full Catastrophe Living</em> and <em>Wherever You Go, There You Are. </em></p> <p><br /></p> <p>His latest book, <em>Mindfulness Meditation for Pain Relief</em>, illustrates a range of evidence-based mindfulness meditation practices for those suffering with the challenges of chronic pain. </p> <p><br /></p> <p><strong>In this episode we talk about:</strong></p> <p><br /></p> <ul> <li>The origins of MBSR and its relation to pain relief</li> <li>Pain vs. Suffering</li> <li>The accessibility of awareness</li> <li>The limitation of mindfulness meditation as a self-improvement practice</li> <li>The quote, "open your mouth and you're wrong" </li> <li>Jon Kabat-Zinn's definition of of healing </li> </ul> <p><br /></p> <p><br /></p> <p><strong>Full Shownotes:</strong> <a href="https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/jon-kabat-zinn-580" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/jon-kabat-zinn-580 </a></p> <p><br /></p>
Actionable Insights

1. Don’t Cling to ‘I, Me, Mine’

Adopt the Buddha’s core teaching: ’nothing is to be clung to as I, me, or mine.’ This practice addresses the root of delusion, wanting, greed, hatred, and aversion, which are fundamental sources of suffering.

2. Inquire Beyond Your Narrative

Deeply inquire into the nature of your being, questioning the stories you tell yourself about ‘who the me is’ and how your life is defined. Learn to inhabit the domain of full being rather than getting caught in limiting thoughts and narratives.

3. Embrace Healing as Acceptance

Redefine healing not as fixing or curing things back to how they were, but as ‘coming to terms with things as they are.’ This mindset allows for peace and freedom even when circumstances cannot be changed.

4. Meditate as a Love Affair

Approach formal meditation not as a chore or a self-improvement strategy, but as a ’love affair.’ Give yourself over to the domain of being outside of time to foster a sustainable and transformative practice.

5. Differentiate Pain from Suffering

Learn to distinguish between physical pain (raw sensation) and the suffering that arises from emotional and cognitive reactions to it. Recognizing this difference can attenuate pain by reducing its emotional and cognitive dimensions.

6. Relate to Anxiety Impersonally

View anxiety as an impersonal ‘weather pattern in the mind’ rather than ‘my anxiety.’ Welcome it as an object of meditation, allowing it to work itself out like a storm without trying to get rid of it or pursue it, which offers new degrees of freedom.

7. Awaken to the Present Moment

Practice ‘dying now’ to the past and future, as in the corpse pose, to fully awaken to the present. Let go of internal conflict and the pursuit of a ‘perfect life,’ recognizing the inherent miracle of your current existence.

8. Live by ‘First Do No Harm’

Embody the Hippocratic Oath of ‘first do no harm’ in all your interactions. Cultivate awareness, mindfulness, and heartfulness to recognize if you are causing harm, even subtly, and take responsibility.

9. Apologize and Learn from Harm

If you realize you’ve caused harm, offer a sincere apology and learn from the experience. This helps prevent repeating hurtful behaviors when triggered by defensiveness or other emotions.

10. Stand on Your Own Humanity

Avoid defining yourself solely by the love or projections of others, whether positive or negative. Learn to stand on your own in your full humanity, recognizing that relying on external validation is unstable.

11. Give Daily Attention to Being

Recognize that the ‘domain of being’ requires daily attention, not just formal meditation. Embrace all daily activities—from greeting loved ones to what you say—with natural, uncontrived awareness.

12. Infuse Wonder into Practice

To infuse wonder into your meditation, remember the preciousness of each breath, as if you were deprived of it. This helps recognize the endless miracles and wonders of existence.

13. Avoid Enlightenment Narratives

Do not build grand stories about spiritual enlightenment. Such narratives can become a prison, giving seriously wrong ideas about the practice and hindering genuine understanding.

14. Focus on What You Can Do

Concentrate your efforts on what you can genuinely do and contribute. Avoid beating yourself up or engaging in self-criticism for things that are beyond your control.