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The Science of Conversation: How To Say What You Mean, Be Heard, and Stop People-Pleasing | Alison Wood Brooks

Aug 25, 2025 1h 19m 29 insights
<p dir="ltr">You talk all day. Here's how to do it better, according to a professor from Harvard Business School.</p> <p dir="ltr"><a href="https://alisonwoodbrooks.com/">Alison Wood Brooks</a> comes from the Harvard Business School, where she teaches a course called "<a href="https://www.hbs.edu/coursecatalog/2227.html">TALK: How to Talk Gooder in Business and Life</a>," which she has now turned into a book, called <a href="https://alisonwoodbrooks.com/conversation-book/">TALK: The Science of Conversation and the Art of Being Ourselves</a>.</p> <p dir="ltr">In this episode we talk about:</p> <ul> <li dir="ltr">The evolution of conversation </li> <li dir="ltr">Why conversation is a skill — not just a natural talent </li> <li dir="ltr">How to develop conversational skills, including common conversational pitfalls to avoid</li> <li dir="ltr">Granular, tactical pieces of advice on how to have a conversation</li> <li dir="ltr">The science behind conversation that may surprise you</li> <li dir="ltr">Listening tips </li> <li dir="ltr">Conversational repair strategies </li> <li dir="ltr">How kindness can go pear shaped </li> <li dir="ltr">How to handle difficult moments in conversation </li> <li dir="ltr">The difference between focusing on other people and people pleasing </li> <li dir="ltr">How to integrate these incredible learnings into your life </li> <li dir="ltr">How soft skills are becoming increasingly more valuable with the rise of AI <strong><br /></strong></li> </ul> <p dir="ltr">Join Dan's online community <a href="http://www.danharris.com/">here</a></p> <p dir="ltr">Follow Dan on social: <a href="https://bit.ly/3tGigG5">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://bit.ly/3FOA84J">TikTok</a></p> <p dir="ltr">Subscribe to our <a href="https://bit.ly/3FybRzD">YouTube Channel</a><strong><br /></strong></p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Additional Resources: </strong></p> <ul> <li dir="ltr"> <p dir="ltr">Alison's band, <a href="https://www.thelights.band/shows">The Lights</a></p> </li> </ul> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">On Sunday, September 21st from 1-5pm ET, join Dan and Leslie Booker at the New York Insight Meditation Center in NYC as they lead a workshop titled, "Heavily Meditated – The Dharma of Depression + Anxiety." This event is both in-person and online. Sign up <a href="https://www.nyimc.org/event/heavily-meditated/">here</a>! </p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">Get ready for another Meditation Party at Omega Institute! This in-person workshop brings together Dan with his friends and meditation teachers, Sebene Selassie, Jeff Warren, and for the first time, Ofosu Jones-Quartey. The event runs October 24th-26th. Sign up and learn more at <a href="http://eomega.org/workshops/meditation-party-2025">eomega.org/workshops/meditation-party-2025</a>.</p> <p><strong><br /> <br /></strong></p> <p dir="ltr">To advertise on the show, contact sales@advertisecast.com or visit <a href="https://advertising.libsyn.com/10HappierwithDanHarris">https://advertising.libsyn.com/10HappierwithDanHarris</a></p> <p><strong>
Actionable Insights

1. View Conversation as Skill

Shift your mindset to understand that conversation is a trainable skill, not merely a natural talent or ‘factory setting,’ which empowers you to actively develop and improve your abilities.

2. Balance Self and Other Focus

Aim for a high level of both self-disclosure and other-oriented talk in conversations, as great conversationalists engage in a ‘ping-pongy’ back-and-forth rather than focusing too much on themselves or solely on their partner.

3. Clarify Conversational Goals

Gain clarity on your own goals and, more importantly, what other people care about in a conversation, using a ‘conversational compass’ to better navigate interactions.

4. Pre-plan Flexible Topics

Spend 30 seconds before a conversation thinking about flexible topics that might interest the other person or that you need to remember to discuss, which reduces anxiety and improves fluency.

5. Assertively Switch Topics

Feel empowered to assertively switch topics when a conversation starts to lag or ‘circle the drain,’ as discussing more topics generally leads to better conversations and avoids stagnation.

6. Deepen Small Talk Quickly

Avoid getting stuck in mundane small talk by quickly moving to more tailored or personal discussions, using follow-up questions or personal disclosure to make the conversation more interesting.

7. Ask More Questions

Consciously make an effort to ask more questions in every conversation, as this fundamental practice unlocks interactivity, shows care, and improves relationships and outcomes.

8. Use Follow-Up Questions

Prioritize asking follow-up questions that build on what your partner has already said, as this demonstrates listening, curiosity, and is an effective way to move beyond small talk.

9. Prefer ‘What’ Over ‘Why’ Questions

Use ‘what’ questions instead of ‘why’ questions to elicit more information from people, as ‘why’ questions can feel accusatory and less threatening.

10. Avoid ‘Boomer Asking’

Do not ask questions merely as a pretext to talk about yourself; it’s better to directly share your own stories or humble brags than to use insincere questions.

11. Cultivate Levity and Fun

Incorporate levity, humor, and warmth into conversations to maintain engagement, create a sense of safety, and disrupt boredom, which helps achieve all other conversational goals.

12. Shift to ‘Make it Fun’

Adopt a mindset of ‘how do we make this situation fun’ rather than trying to ‘be funny,’ which relieves personal pressure and fosters collective responsibility for enjoyable interactions.

13. Give Sincere Compliments

Voice positive thoughts about others by giving sincere compliments, as this makes the recipient feel good and also benefits the compliment giver.

14. Moderate Self-Deprecating Humor

Be mindful of your status when using self-deprecating humor; it is often perceived as charming from a high-status position but can make you seem less competent if you are in a low-status position.

15. Be an Incredible Listener

Strive to be an incredible listener, recognizing that the best conversationalists excel at this skill, even though it requires conscious effort against natural egocentrism.

16. Practice Active Listening (Nonverbal)

Demonstrate engagement through nonverbal cues like making eye contact, nodding, smiling, and leaning forward, as these are foundational for showing your partner you care.

17. Verbally Demonstrate Listening

Go beyond nonverbal cues by using your words to show you’ve heard someone, through affirmation, repeating or paraphrasing in your own way, and asking follow-up questions.

18. Use Conversational Callbacks

Reference earlier parts of the conversation through ‘callbacks,’ which signals attentive listening and can make interactions feel clever and engaging.

19. Practice Reflective Listening

Summarize what your interlocutor has said in your own words to ensure shared understanding and make them feel heard, even if you sometimes get it slightly wrong and need to reflect corrections.

20. Utilize Conversational Repair

Employ repair strategies like admitting you missed something or clarifying misunderstandings (e.g., ‘I just missed what you said, do you mind repeating it?’) to build accurate shared understanding and safety.

21. Suspend Needs for Others

In rewarding relationships, be willing to temporarily suspend your own needs to prioritize what the other person needs, recognizing that caring about the relationship can matter more than your fleeting self-interest.

22. Overcome Natural Egocentrism

Consciously work to overcome your brain’s natural self-interested and egocentric tendencies by focusing on others’ needs and perspectives, as kindness requires effort against human nature.

23. Balance Self-Disclosure

Ensure you are also sharing your own perspective and engaging in self-disclosure, as constantly focusing only on others’ needs without sharing about yourself can lead to burnout and feeling unknown.

24. Maintain Reciprocity in Relationships

Over time, aim for a balanced ledger of generosity in relationships where both parties are willing to prioritize each other’s needs; if reciprocity is consistently lacking, you may need to advocate for your own needs or re-evaluate the relationship.

25. Cultivate Receptive Language

In difficult conversations, use ‘receptive language’ to maintain conviction for your own views while remaining open and encouraging to differing viewpoints, preventing conversations from getting derailed.

26. Use Qualifying Language

Employ qualifying language such as ‘maybe,’ ‘sometimes,’ or ‘I wonder if’ to hedge your claims and express uncertainty in difficult moments, making your statements more pleasant and open to discussion.

27. Divide Self for Feedback

In difficult conversations, divide yourself into multiple parts (e.g., ‘as your friend,’ ‘as a coach’) to express both empathy and deliver direct, constructive feedback in the same breath, making it easier for others to receive.

28. Modify the Situation

When conversations get tense, change something about the environment—like inviting a third person, dimming lights, or taking a break—as small modifications can significantly alter the interaction’s mood and safety.

29. Practice One Skill at a Time

Integrate new conversational skills into your life by practicing one new technique at a time in daily conversations, running personal experiments to discover what works best for you.