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Michael Pollan On: Reducing Rumination, Reclaiming Your Attention From the Machines, and MDMA-Assisted Therapy

Feb 25, 2026 1h 6m 23 insights
<p dir="ltr">Plus, making the mundane sacred, meditating in a cave, and lowering the ego walls.</p> <p dir="ltr"><a href="https://michaelpollan.com/">Michael Pollan</a> is the author of ten books, all of which were New York Times bestsellers. His latest book is <a href="https://michaelpollan.com/books/a-world-appears/">A World Appears: A Journey Into Consciousness</a>.</p> <p dir="ltr">In this episode we talk about:</p> <ul> <li dir="ltr">How to get over yourself</li> <li dir="ltr">How to reduce rumination</li> <li dir="ltr">How to lower the ego's walls</li> <li dir="ltr">How to elevate mundane tasks</li> <li dir="ltr">The value of what Zen practitioners call "don't know mind"</li> <li dir="ltr">How to reclaim your attention from Big Tech (what Michael calls the "colonizers of consciousness")</li> <li dir="ltr">The value of MDMA-assisted therapy</li> <li dir="ltr">Michael's experiences meditating in a cave</li> </ul> <p dir="ltr">Related Episodes:</p> <ul> <li dir="ltr"> <p dir="ltr"><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dont-let-this-crisis-go-to-waste-roshi-joan-halifax/id1087147821?i=1000475173277"> Don't Let This Crisis Go To Waste | Roshi Joan Halifax</a></p> </li> </ul> <p>Get the 10% with Dan Harris app <a href="https://app.danharris.com/membership">here</a></p> <p>Sign up for Dan's free newsletter <a href="http://www.danharris.com/">here</a></p> <p>Follow Dan on social: <a href="https://bit.ly/3tGigG5">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://bit.ly/3FOA84J">TikTok</a></p> <p>Subscribe to our <a href="https://bit.ly/3FybRzD">YouTube Channel</a></p> <p dir="ltr">To advertise on the show, contact sales@advertisecast.com or visit <a href="https://advertising.libsyn.com/10HappierwithDanHarris">https://advertising.libsyn.com/10HappierwithDanHarris</a></p> <p> </p>
Actionable Insights

1. Reclaim Your Consciousness

Actively reclaim your precious space of interiority from technologies and corporations (like social media and AI) that colonize attention, as being more conscious leads to a fuller, more present life.

2. Daily 20-Minute Meditation

Meditate every day, typically for about 20 minutes, as a daily anchor and reminder of the phenomenon of consciousness, helping you stay in touch with your interiority before the day’s distractions.

3. Elevate Chores to Sacred Rituals

Transform everyday chores like sweeping or making tea into ritualized practices, approaching them with full presence and intention, which can lead to a profound sense of ’the sacredness of the everyday'.

4. Avoid Multitasking

Commit to doing one thing at a time, such as just sweeping or just brewing tea, to resist the urge to multitask and reclaim your full attention for the present moment.

5. Cultivate “Don’t Know Mind”

Get comfortable with the “don’t know mind” by giving up the narrow, problem-solution mode of understanding, allowing you to open up to situations with 360 degrees of awareness and admit wonder and awe.

6. View Emotions as Temporary

Instead of identifying with strong emotions like anger as “mine,” perceive them as temporary meteorological systems moving through, which makes them much more workable and reduces shame.

7. Drop Shame for Involuntary Thoughts

Recognize that many thoughts and emotions are involuntary, allowing you to drop shame around unwholesome impulses; while it’s not your fault they arise, it is your responsibility to deal with them.

8. Break Ruminative Thought Patterns

Actively work to let go of thoughts and break out of self-critical ruminative thought circles, as rumination is a root cause of many mental health challenges, and meditation can be a helpful tool.

9. Reconnect in Nature Phone-Free

Spend time in nature, ideally where there’s no cell phone reception or by leaving your phone at home, to reconnect with yourself and your environment, as nature offers a quieter, subtler voice than daily distractions.

10. Practice “Just This”

When performing chores or other activities, practice “just this” by fully focusing on the task at hand (e.g., “just sweep the floor” when sweeping) to cultivate presence and elevate the activity.

11. Practice Open Awareness

To cultivate “lantern consciousness” (a child-like state of taking in information from all directions), practice open awareness meditation, allowing everything to come through and simply observing it without narrow focus.

12. Question Thought Origin

During meditation, when random thoughts or imagery arise, ask “who ordered this dish?” or “who thought this thought?” to explore the nature of the self and consciousness, often leading to the realization of no fixed “self.”

13. Challenge Ego Identification

Use meditation to question the assumption that you are identical with your sense of self or ego, which can lead to profound insights about its nature as a potential construction rather than a fixed reality.

14. Describe Emotions Passively

When experiencing strong emotions, reframe them in the passive voice (e.g., “anger is happening” instead of “I am angry”) to separate your identity from the emotion and weaken tight identification.

15. Acknowledge Noticing Rumination

If you find yourself ruminating during meditation, recognize that the moment you notice it is a success, as this metacognition is a valuable step towards self-awareness and breaking the pattern.

16. Seek Awe Experiences

Actively seek out experiences that evoke awe, as these moments can cause the sense of self to shrink, making you feel smaller in a profound and positive way.

17. Be Present in Nature

When in nature, resist the urge to use digital distractions like AirPods for podcasts or music, allowing yourself to fully experience the environment, such as bird song and wind.

18. Persist Through Mental Reruns

If on a meditation retreat, persist through the initial period of mental reruns and rumination, as prolonged exposure to these thoughts can lead to a “dropping in” where the self slips away.

19. Consider MDMA Therapy

Explore MDMA-assisted therapy, especially if dealing with fear or difficulty forming trust, as it can lower fear, flood the system with oxytocin, and rapidly build a powerful therapeutic relationship.

20. Surrender During Therapy

When undergoing MDMA or psychedelic therapy, practice surrendering to what’s happening rather than fighting anxious feelings, as resistance can intensify negative experiences, while surrender can lead to a more productive outcome.

21. Join Group Meditation

To boot up and maintain a meditation habit, use an app like “10% with Dan Harris” that offers meditations from great teachers and weekly live video meditation and Q&A sessions, as science shows it’s easier with other people.

22. Opt for Nutrient-Dense Snacks

Select snacks like Paleo Valley’s 100% grass-fed beef sticks, which are nutrient-dense, whole food-sourced, and organic, to have clean, healthy protein on the go.

23. Train Safely with Tonal

Utilize Tonal for strength training at home to receive real-time coaching cues that dial in your form and help you lift safely and effectively, preventing injuries and ensuring progress.