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Joseph Goldstein On: How Not To Try Too Hard in Meditation, Why You Shouldn't "Waste Your Suffering," and the Value Of Seeing How Ridiculous You Are

May 10, 2023 1h 6m 22 insights
<p><em>New episodes come out every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday for free, with 1-week early access for Wondery+ subscribers.</em></p> <p>---</p> <p>It's always a big deal when we get the maestro <a href="https://www.dharma.org/teacher/joseph-goldstein/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joseph Goldstein</a> on the show. He's one of the greatest living meditation teachers—and we cover a lot of ground in this conversation both related to meditation and to life.</p> <p>This is the third installment in a series we've been running this month on the Eightfold Path. If you missed the first two episodes, don't worry. Joseph starts our conversation with a brief description and explanation of this pivotal Buddhist list. The list is basically a recipe for living a good life.</p> <p><br /></p> <p><strong>In this episode we talk about:</strong>  </p> <ul> <li>How to strike a balance between trying too hard and trying too little in meditation</li> <li>How to handle your doubts about whether you're meditating correctly</li> <li>What the Buddhists really mean when they say "let it go" </li> <li>What Joseph means when he says, don't waste your suffering</li> <li>Why he uses the word ridiculous so much to describe the way our minds work</li> <li>How the eightfold path encompasses both daily life and formal meditation</li> <li>The simplest possible definition of mindfulness</li> <li>How mindfulness can prevent unwholesome or unhealthy states of mind from arising </li> <li>What to do when unwholesome states have already arisen</li> <li>Being mindful of seeing, which is an often overlooked</li> <li>A simple explanation of the tricky Buddhist concept of not self </li> <li>The Buddhist concept of wisdom </li> <li>And the importance of having a sense of humor about your own mind </li> </ul> <p><br /></p> <p>A note that we initially conducted this conversation live via Zoom as part of a benefit in support of an organization called the <a href="https://www.nyimc.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">New York Insight Meditation Center,</a> which is an offshoot of IMS.</p> <p><br /></p> <p><strong>Full Shownotes:</strong> <a href="https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/joseph-goldstein-598" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/joseph-goldstein-598</a></p> <p><br /></p>
Actionable Insights

1. Understand Not-Self

Understand that ‘self’ is a designation for the flow of mind-body processes, not a substantial reality. This insight helps you avoid identifying with phenomena, thereby reducing suffering and leading to liberation.

2. Don’t Waste Your Suffering

When experiencing suffering, use it as a wake-up call to investigate what unwholesome mind state is causing it. This direct investigation helps you understand the causes of suffering and unhook from it.

3. Have Humor About Mind

Cultivate a sense of humor about your own mind and its ‘ridiculous’ thoughts and reactivity. Seeing the impersonality of these patterns with humor is an effective way to avoid being caught by them.

4. Mindfulness Without Aversion

Practice mindfulness by recognizing what’s present in the moment without greed, aversion, or delusion. Accepting difficult emotions without wanting them to go away changes your relationship to them and reveals their impermanence.

5. Balance Your Effort

Continuously monitor the quality of your effort or energy in practice and daily life, like tuning a lute. Adjust if you’re too tense (relax) or too loose (be more mindful) to find balance.

6. Let Things Be

Instead of trying to ’let go,’ practice ’letting it be,’ which acknowledges the truth of impermanence. If you let things be without interference, they will naturally arise and pass away.

7. Investigate Unwholesome Causes

To prevent unwholesome states, investigate the circumstances and sense doors (seeing, hearing, etc.) from which they predominantly arise. Understanding their causes allows you to take appropriate action.

8. Practice Mindful Seeing

Actively practice being mindful of the act of seeing throughout your day. This can prevent unwholesome states like judgment and reactivity that often arise from unmindful visual input.

9. Strengthen Mindfulness

When unwholesome states arise, strengthen your mindfulness by focusing very precisely and carefully on sensations. Fully occupying your mind with precise mindfulness can dissolve the unwholesome state.

10. Cultivate Antidote States

Use wholesome states as antidotes to unwholesome ones; for example, cultivate loving-kindness (metta) for anger, sympathetic joy (mudita) for envy, or renunciation for greed. This shifts the mind into a more wholesome state.

11. Practice Small Renunciation

Engage in small acts of renunciation, such as saying ’no’ to minor desires that are not important or necessary. This simple practice strengthens your mind and conserves energy.

12. Use ‘Steadiness’ Not ‘Concentration’

Use the word ‘steadiness’ instead of ‘concentration’ to describe the quality of mind you’re cultivating. This avoids the connotation of over-effort and helps foster relaxation.

13. Set Aspiration, Then Let Go

Have an aspiration to develop qualities like steadiness, as it sets a direction, but then let go of clinging, grasping, or expectation. Trust that consistent practice will lead to the desired outcome.

14. Release ‘Am I Doing It Right?’

Don’t worry excessively about whether you’re meditating ‘correctly,’ as this can lead to judgment and self-judgment. Recognize this thought pattern and release it.

15. Ask ‘What’s My Attitude?’

Periodically ask yourself, ‘What’s the attitude in my mind?’ to check how you are relating to your experience. This question often helps the mind settle back into true mindfulness.

16. Ask ‘Is This Useful?’

When caught up in a lot of thoughts, ask yourself, ‘Is this useful?’ or ‘Is this not useful?’ Most thoughts are not useful, and this question helps the mind settle back into a more mindful state.

17. Label ‘Practice Assessment Tapes’

When thoughts like ‘Am I doing it right?’ arise, label them as ‘practice assessment tapes’ (PATs). Seeing and naming this thought pattern helps the mind release from it.

18. Intend Steadiness on Breath

Cultivate steadiness by having the soft intention to be steady for the duration of each in-breath and out-breath. This gentle intentionality builds one-pointedness.

19. Focus on Primary Object

In the beginning of practice, emphasize using a primary object like the breath to develop fixed object concentration and strengthen steadiness.

20. Combine Concentration Types

In Vipassana practice, combine focus on a primary object with becoming mindful and one-pointed on other predominant changing objects that arise. This intermingling develops stronger samadhi.

21. Practice the Eightfold Path

Don’t just know the eight steps of the path; actively put them into practice in both formal meditation and daily life. This is the path to liberation.

22. Study Each Path Step

Undertake a project to investigate and study each step of the Eightfold Path in depth, perhaps dedicating a month to each step. This deep exploration makes the teachings come alive.