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Duncan Trussell on: Being a Spiritual Omnivore, Whether Psychedelics Are a Bridge to the Divine, and How the Gates of Hell Are Locked From the Inside

Sep 11, 2023 1h 13m 38 insights
<p><em>New episodes come out every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday for free, with 1-week early access for Wondery+ subscribers.</em></p> <p>---</p> <p><a href="https://www.duncantrussell.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Duncan Trussell</a> is an American actor and stand-up comic. And he doesn't like being called a Buddhist comedian. It makes sense… that label unfairly pigeonholes him in two ways. First, because he's a legit, successful, hilarious comedian, no matter what his spiritual leanings. Duncan has written and appeared in sketches for two seasons of Fuel TV's <em>Stupidface</em>, Showtime's <em>La La Land</em>, Comedy Central's <em>Nick Swardson's Pretend Time</em>, and both seasons of HBO's <em>Funny or Die Presents</em>. His television credits include <em>MADtv</em> and <em>Curb Your Enthusiasm</em>. </p> <p><br /></p> <p>And when it comes to the spiritual stuff, he's not just a Buddhist. This guy is spiritually omnivorous. And he knows his shit. He has practiced extensively. And on his podcast, <a href="https://www.duncantrussell.com/episodes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Duncan Trussell Family Hour</a>, he interviews meditation teachers like Jack Kornfield and Sharon Salzberg. In fact, Netflix turned his pod into a cult favorite animated TV show, called <a href="https://www.duncantrussell.com/midnightgospel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Midnight Gospel</a>.</p> <p><br /></p> <p><strong>In this episode we talk about:</strong></p> <ul> <li>Depression, anxiety, death, and Duncan's interpretation of God </li> <li>How meditation helps him handle the insanity of Hollywood</li> <li>The Buddhist hell realms as psychological states</li> <li>Spirituality and psychedelics</li> <li>If having a contemplative practice can hurt our job, form of expression, or ambition</li> <li>Karmic and samsaric patterns – and enjoying your ego while you have one</li> <li>If we're all capable of love</li> </ul> <p><br /></p> <p><strong>Related Episodes:</strong></p> <p><a href="https://www.tenpercent.com/tph/podcast-episode/rainn-wilson-603" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#603. Why Dwight from The Office (Rainn Wilson) Is Calling for a "Spiritual Revolution"</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.tenpercent.com/tph/podcast-episode/father-gregory-boyle-489" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#489. Can You Really Conquer Hatred Through Love? | Father Gregory Boyle</a></p> <p><br /></p> <p><strong>Full Shownotes:</strong> <a href="https://www.tenpercent.com/tph/podcast-episode/duncan-trussell" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.tenpercent.com/tph/podcast-episode/duncan-trussell</a></p> <p><br /></p>
Actionable Insights

1. Reduce ‘Me’ Attachment

Alleviate suffering by reducing attachment to the individual ‘me’ or ego, recognizing that preoccupation with self-identity can obscure a greater reality where your perception of the world is a manifestation of your mind.

2. Practice Surrender

Embrace the concept of surrender as an answer to the various demands of the world, drawing inspiration from spiritual traditions that emphasize this approach.

3. Cultivate Grace for Hardship

Engage with spiritual practices to develop the ability to be graceful in chaotic or difficult situations, as this skill is crucial for navigating life’s inevitable challenges and being a better friend, parent, or student.

4. Practice Being Present

Practice being fully in the present moment and trusting your mind, as this spontaneity, freed from neurotic thought patterns, can greatly enhance performance and expression in any field.

5. Focus on Action, Not Fruits

To avoid insanity and manage anxiety in high-pressure environments, focus on performing your actions diligently, but detach from the expectation or attachment to the specific ‘fruits’ or outcomes of those actions.

6. Practice ‘Love No Matter What’

Apply ’love no matter what’ by recognizing that others’ difficult behaviors stem from their own inherited patterns and conditioning, making it harder to sustain anger and fostering compassion.

7. Embrace Dark Moments

Recognize that difficult or ‘dark’ moments are essential for growth, like the roots of a flower, and can lead to something more beautiful than your current state, rather than only seeking pleasure and bliss.

8. Love the Creative Process

To thrive in creative fields, cultivate a deep love for the act of making things that exceeds the desire for external validation, funding, or success.

9. Commit to One Practice

Avoid ‘spiritual materialism’ or ’leapfrogging’ between different traditions when suffering arises; instead, commit to a simple, consistent practice for a significant period before becoming spiritually omnivorous.

10. Connect to Transcendent Reality

To avoid cynicism and bitterness in the face of suffering, connect to a transcendent reality or ‘God,’ as removing this element can lead to a dark, nihilistic view of existence.

11. Create Space from Judgment

Cultivate a sense of separation between your judging mind and your true self, allowing judgment to be observed as a part of your experience rather than defining your entire identity.

12. Recognize Hell as Psychology

Understand ‘hell realms’ as psychological states experienced in the present moment, characterized by complete disconnect, selfishness, and preoccupation with one’s own problems, rather than solely a place after death.

13. Seek a Meditation Teacher

If you’re interested in spiritual practice, find a meditation teacher to guide you, as formal instruction can be the beginning of true interest and deeper engagement.

14. Practice Mindfulness Daily

Engage in mindfulness practice to tune into your body and reality, which serves as a palate cleanser to reduce distraction by thoughts and connect with the reality of love, compassion, and beauty.

15. Engage Diverse Perspectives

Actively seek out and engage with people who hold different beliefs, as the resulting conversations can be healthy, good, and lead to valuable insights and understanding.

16. Prioritize Quick Recovery

Understand that grace in relationships or life doesn’t mean never being graceless, but rather developing the ability to recover more quickly from difficult moments or conflicts.

17. Marriage as Spiritual Practice

Recognize your marriage or significant relationships as a spiritual practice or path, which can help compress conflicts that might last days into shorter periods and facilitate a quicker return to connection.

18. Cultivate Self-Compassion

Understand that recurring life patterns (samsaric patterns or karma) may extend beyond this lifetime, which can foster greater self-compassion by recognizing the deep-rooted complexity of your conditioning.

19. Re-examine Spiritual Concepts

Be open to re-examining spiritual concepts and experiences, as initial understandings may be limited, and a deeper, more profound connection can emerge with new perspectives.

20. Seek Fresh Spiritual Teachings

When exploring religion or spirituality, look for teachings that feel ‘fresh-baked bread’ – alive and relevant in the present moment – rather than stale or dusty relics of the past.

21. Avoid Spiritualizing Confusion

Do not mistake inexpressible confusion or ignorance for mystical or transcendent experiences, as this can lead to enshrining one’s own confusion rather than seeking genuine understanding.

22. Prioritize Personal Experience

Focus on cultivating a personal spiritual connection and experience, understanding that the articulation of such experiences is secondary and may confuse others.

23. Initiate Spiritual Romance

If you believe in a benevolent divine, initiate a ‘romance’ with it through ‘consent’ or prayer, expressing your openness to connection by saying, ‘hey, okay, if you’re there, I’m here.’

24. Psychedelics as a Map

If using psychedelics, view them as a ‘map’ that can show the possibility of unified bliss states, but be aware of the pitfall of believing they are the only way to experience such states.

25. Explore Non-Drug Paths

Recognize that spiritual practices can lead to profound states of consciousness, potentially surpassing those induced by psychedelics, so explore these non-chemical paths.

26. Focus on the Destination

Concentrate on the ultimate goal of spiritual practice or personal growth (’the beach’) rather than becoming overly attached to or caught up in the specific ‘vehicle’ or method used to get there.

27. Dispel Suffering Artist Myth

Reject the misconception that spiritual satisfaction or happiness will diminish artistic fuel; engaging in practices that bring well-being does not harm creativity.

28. Use Self-Awareness for Humor

Develop self-awareness through mind exploration and meditation to observe your own eccentricities and ’nuts’ behavior, which can then be transformed into humor and jokes.

29. Reduce Self-Consciousness

Work on reducing self-consciousness to become more available, a better ad-libber, and more spontaneous, which can enhance humor and overall performance.

30. Enjoy Your Ego

Instead of fighting your ego, enjoy and observe it with a sense of bittersweet humor, recognizing it as a demanding but temporary aspect of yourself.

31. Be Aware of Grief Triggers

Be mindful that grief can manifest unconsciously, triggered by anniversaries or seasonal cues, even if your conscious mind has forgotten the date, leading to unexplained anger or unease.

32. Observe Resistance to Compassion

Notice your internal resistance when deconstructing anger towards someone, recognizing the ego’s desire to maintain an external target for aggression rather than seeing others as equally complex beings.

33. Recognize Love as Shared

Avoid mistaking individuals as the sole ’love source’; instead, recognize love as a fundamental, shared experience or ‘fundamental goodness’ that underlies all interactions and stories.

34. Combine Mindfulness, Devotion

Consider combining mindfulness practices (like Vipassana) with devotional practices (like Bhakti Yoga) as they can complement each other effectively to deepen spiritual understanding and connection.

35. Build Independent Income

In unpredictable industries, develop an independent income stream that provides some security and reduces complete dependence on external timing or opportunities.

36. Embrace Evolving Spirituality

Consider that spiritual reality might be something humanity is ‘assembling into’ through collective evolution and technological advancement, rather than solely a past event or static concept.

37. Recognize Self-Imprisonment

Understand that suffering or ‘hell’ is often self-imposed, with ’the gates of hell locked from the inside,’ implying that liberation comes from within.

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